PETA ppl run over deer!!!

[oneeyejack]

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There's plenty of laughter and a little sadness in the hunting community over an incident involving a deer that collided with an automobile driven by two animal rights campaigners who belong to the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. The folks who worship at the altar of animals now want to sue a New Jersey game department over the incident, claiming it's the state's fault that it happened.

No, this is not an April Fool's joke — April is still weeks away. Besides, our newspaper frowns on such things. This is the real deal.

On Feb.14, PETA legal counsel Matthew Penzer sent a letter to Bob McDowell, director of the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife, that said, "Pursuant to New Jersey state law, this will serve as notice that People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), Dan Shannon and Jay Kelly each reserves the right to bring an action for damages and/or injuries sustained in an automobile crash on November 16, 2001. Shortly before 1 o'clock in the morning on that date, while driving a Honda Civic belonging to PETA and while returning from a PETA [anti-hunt] campaigning tour, southbound on the New Jersey Turnpike, a deer darted out in front of the car and a collision resulted. The collision occurred at or near mile marker 15.4 in Woolwich Township, Gloucester County. Damage to the car was severe, resulting in a repair bill that exceeded $6,000.00 and loss of use of the car for nearly two months. The total amount of damages is, as yet, unknown.

"PETA, Mr. Shannon and Mr. Kelly believe that this collision, which occurred near the start of New Jersey's hunting season, was caused by the state's Department of Environmental Protection Fish and Wildlife Division and the Fish and Game Council as a result of their deer management program, which includes, in certain circumstances, an affirmative effort to increase deer populations. Despite the known dangers an increased deer population poses to motorists in the state, the Division and Council actively assist in increasing the deer population for the purpose of enhancing hunting opportunities and license revenues. The result, as was the case here, is a significant number of auto-deer collisions each year, causing significant injuries and property damage."

Penzer even went so far as to write a pretty good press release rehashing the deer vs. car incident that said, in part, "PETA saw red — and it wasn't just the blood of the animal [that was] fleeing hunters' guns."

We have no idea where Penzer received his information about the deer fleeing hunters' guns. How could he know that, since even he said the crash occurred "near" the start of the New Jersey deer season. In other words, the hunt had not begun, so where are the deer "fleeing hunters' guns" coming from? And is he aware that during cool November days, a deer more often than not will be involved in chasing after a potential mate, not worrying so much about hunters.

On three separate occasions during the past deer rut, which normally coincides with the Maryland and Virginia hunting seasons that I participate in, I spotted bucks with their noses to the ground, ignoring everything and everybody as they followed the scent of a female. One of the bucks did this with such haste that I nearly collided with him 200 yards from my home a week before the gun season began. In other words, there were no hunters "chasing" anything, but we might have had a dead deer all the same.

Not only that, one must wonder whether PETA is aware that 99 percent of all deer hunters wait for their deer, not chase them, knowing that would be sheer folly. Additionally, when a hunter happens upon a deer and it runs off, it will stop running within a couple hundred yards, so the argument that a gun-carrying hunter was doing his thing before the season began and so close to one of the busiest highways in the nation is more than suspect.

Now here comes the inevitable Walt Disney-zation of animals: PETA says it "opposes the fear, the disruption of herd members' relationships and the bloodshed suffered by the deer on grounds of cruelty to animals."

Deer aren't much interested in an elephant-style mentality that includes deep, emotional care for related herd members. To talk of "relationships" among deer is stretching things. And as far as the bloodshed is concerned, it is indeed a pity that the deer died and nobody thought to try and save as many steaks and roasts as possible but instead allowed good venison to go to waste.

What a pity.

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[AdmiralAK]

someone please round up and shoot these nuts in the head ... america...the land of teh suing opportunity!

[phredog]

More people should learn about hunting and how it saves lives by removing excess deer that run across roads and endanger people in cars. Check out;

http://www.dnr.state.mi.us/SubPage.asp?sec=hunt

[MattGuy368]

Recently I heard that somewhere in America (I can't remeber where) a fugitive that escaped form jail is suing the police. He escaped from jail and hid in a nearby forest and lost some fingers and toes (don't know exactly) to frostbite. He is suing the local police departament for not finding him quickly enough....claiming that had tehy found him quicker he wouldn't have gotten frostbite...

Or like the old lady that spilled hot coffee on her lad in a McDonalds drive throguh and sued them because she "didn't know the coffeee was hot" and she won and now there are warning labels on all coffee cups at fast food places...

[ilvla2]

We wouldn't have "excess" deer if man had not messed with the system by killing off wolves and coyotes. It happened in Yellowstone, which is why they are reintroducing wolves, it's about time. While I don't have a problem with hunting, I am not myself one, and don't think it is a way to manage herds. Everytime man tries to "fix" nature, he usually screws it up And while I think these people suing are way out of bounds, this article is in my opinion not funny at all. To say deer don't have love for each other and relationships is a bit right sided. I am a deeply religious person(Mormon), and I happen to feel that animals do have souls, and that we are all using this world on "loan", we will have to pay up someday. If you have little or no respect for a deer, how can you have respect for something as complex as a human? Just my two cents

[bagsnatcher]

i love rifles and hunting.

[phredog]

Originally posted by ilvla2
We wouldn't have "excess" deer if man had not messed with the system by killing off wolves and coyotes. It happened in Yellowstone, which is why they are reintroducing wolves, it's about time. While I don't have a problem with hunting, I am not myself one, and don't think it is a way to manage herds. Everytime man tries to "fix" nature, he usually screws it up And while I think these people suing are way out of bounds, this article is in my opinion not funny at all. To say deer don't have love for each other and relationships is a bit right sided. I am a deeply religious person(Mormon), and I happen to feel that animals do have souls, and that we are all using this world on "loan", we will have to pay up someday. If you have little or no respect for a deer, how can you have respect for something as complex as a human? Just my two cents

Understood.

Most people whom complain about killing Bamby have not tasted deer meat. Also moose is the best meat you can get!

If we where not supposed to eat them, why did God make the m out of meat (Joke)

BTW: Somewhere in the Tora (Possibly Genisis) God tells Adam that he and his decendants shall be masters of all the beasts of the earth. Ok, somthing like that (it has been a long time).

[oneeyejack]

Originally posted by phredog

BTW: Somewhere in the Tora (Possibly Genisis) God tells Adam that he and his decendants shall be masters of all the beasts of the earth. Ok, somthing like that (it has been a long time).

yeah, that's what is basically says in genesis chapter 2. God gives adam the authority to name all the animals of the earth!

[phredog]

Originally posted by oneeyejack


yeah, that's what is basically says in genesis chapter 2. God gives adam the authority to name all the animals of the earth!

Hmm Lets see... Four legged and says moo.... I think I'll name it beef. Lets see has a white tail and hoofs.... I think I'll name it Venison. Lets see, has feathers and and says Boc Bac... I think I'll name it lunch!