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    T-Mobile's LTE Network to Cover 50 million POPS less than Sprint at Completion

    T-Mobile, whose LTE network currently covers around 202 million POPs, plans to top out its LTE coverage at around 225 million people

    Read more: T-Mobile plans LTE coverage of around 225M POPs - FierceWireless http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/...#ixzz2hiOfEOEO
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    The good news, if there is any, is that Ray also said:

    The plan is for T-Mobile to focus on increasing the density of its existing network, as well as to employ the spectrum it has gained from the MetroPCS acquisition. The idea is that the higher density network and extra spectrum will yield a faster connection.
    Increasing the current density will be a great thing and will hopefully result in a more consistent wireless experience (with fewer SOS-only areas).

    But, this puts T-Mobile as the carrier with the tiniest LTE footprint plan. Sprint's native network covers 280 million POPS and the entire network is being upgraded to LTE. And, AT&T recently confirmed they will have just over 300 million POPs by next summer, and Verizon is already past 300 million POPs.

    Verizon's 4G network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newyork4me View Post
    The good news, if there is any, is that Ray also said:



    Increasing the current density will be a great thing and will hopefully result in a more consistent wireless experience (with fewer SOS-only areas).

    But, this puts T-Mobile as the carrier with the tiniest LTE footprint plan. Sprint's native network covers 280 million POPS and the entire network is being upgraded to LTE. And, AT&T recently confirmed they will have just over 300 million POPs by next summer, and Verizon is already past 300 million POPs.
    I think DT is offering more bonds for T-Mobile USA to borrow and pay back in 2020, if they do get these bonds this could change that easily. If T-Mobile only covers 225million they will be 4million short of HSPA pops covered.

    ^HSPA+ 42mbps---------------------------------------------- ^LTE

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    Quote Originally Posted by newyork4me View Post
    The good news, if there is any, is that Ray also said:



    Increasing the current density will be a great thing and will hopefully result in a more consistent wireless experience (with fewer SOS-only areas).

    But, this puts T-Mobile as the carrier with the tiniest LTE footprint plan. Sprint's native network covers 280 million POPS and the entire network is being upgraded to LTE. And, AT&T recently confirmed they will have just over 300 million POPs by next summer, and Verizon is already past 300 million POPs.


    Sprint also said it would have major markets online years before they officially launched. They blamed massive delays on birds....clearly a incompetent company thats good about lying.

    I will belive Sprint's network deployment AFTER it actually gets deployed. With Sprint; its all talk...


    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-575...e-with-4g-lte/

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/26/s...e-delay-birds/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antenna View Post

    Sprint also said it would have major markets online years before they officially launched. They blamed massive delays on birds....clearly a incompetent company thats good about lying.

    I will belive Sprint's network deployment AFTER it actually gets deployed. With Sprint; its all talk...


    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-575...e-with-4g-lte/

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/26/s...e-delay-birds/
    You try working on a tower with a threatened or endangered species nesting on it and see what the federal government does to you.

    Also the engineering maps I and others have access to beg to differ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilotimz View Post
    You try working on a tower with a threatened or endangered species nesting on it and see what the federal government does to you.

    Also the engineering maps I and others have access to beg to differ...
    Funny Sprint only used the bird excuse once. Birds migrate, so it should have caused problems this year as well, and for other carriers like Verizon who managed to deploy LTE in the same areas in a more timely fashion.

    Also there are no endangered species nesting in cell towers in Southern California, yet Sprint still has delays.

    It was an excuse, and a very funny, and pathetic one at that!

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    These threads are getting old fast. This is same plan T-mobile has been executing to every since announcing the LTE deployment contracts with Ericsson and NSN. Go read the quotes from Neville, he's talking about the current plan. Again, no discussion about anything after that.

    To the other poster - The bonds that T-mobile sold were to "transfer" the T-mobile US debt off of DT's balance sheets onto that of TMUS (one of the main reasons why TMUS is now public). That has also been part of the plan all along. T-mobile has indicated that they will be seeking to delever the company in the coming years.

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    That's not bad. That's all their 3G/4G coverage apart from the recent rural 4 million that they upgraded from 2G to 3G/4G. If they continue doing that to rural cities and highways, they'll be fine. No point in putting LTE where the backhaul isn't that good. T-Mobile 3G/4G is often faster than Sprint LTE.

    Sprint should focus on not coming up last place on almost every RootMetrics comparison, some day turning a profit, and preventing customer losses.

    In the end, the success of both Sprint and T-Mobile benefits all consumers. We need them both to add more customers than Verizon/AT&T so they can grow their marketshare. Attacking each other is silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilotimz View Post
    You try working on a tower with a threatened or endangered species nesting on it and see what the federal government does to you.

    Also the engineering maps I and others have access to beg to differ...
    If Sprint had been a decent and competent engineering staff they would already have had the underlying infrastructure in place, instead they had to make up some stupid NV plan to make them look like they are actually doing something, when in fact all they are doing is just CATCHING UP. And they can't even do that.

    Besides the fact they SHARE a lot of the cell site space, there isn't any excuse for their pathetic A** network everywhere else. There aren't endangered birds on all 40,000 cell sites..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volaris View Post
    Sprint should focus on not coming up last place on almost every RootMetrics comparison, some day turning a profit, and preventing customer losses.
    You don't want much, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antenna View Post

    Sprint also said it would have major markets online years before they officially launched. They blamed massive delays on birds....clearly a incompetent company thats good about lying.

    I will belive Sprint's network deployment AFTER it actually gets deployed. With Sprint; its all talk...


    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-575...e-with-4g-lte/

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/26/s...e-delay-birds/
    I guess someone isn't tracking the TD-LTE buildout. This isn't old Sprint, this is SoftBank Sprint.

    There's already a lot of TD-LTE sites online and ready to go. 6000 by year's end.

    Meanwhile, Sprint rural areas will have Nextel spectrum for LTE and T-Mobile's rural areas will be.... good luck with that.

    I'll just say that in my neck of the woods, things started moving a lot faster once SoftBank money started pouring in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newyork4me View Post
    Increasing the current density will be a great thing and will hopefully result in a more consistent wireless experience (with fewer SOS-only areas).
    This is indeed great news, if true. I'd still be with T-Mobile for my work phone today, if I could actually get service in the buildings I work in!



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    People using Sprint in Nashville have literally had unusable service for a year if not more.

    I hope T-Mobile does increase cell density and focus on metro/large urban areas. I recently switched to them in Nashville and their 4g LTE Service is terrific here and in the surrounding suburbs. My 4g LTE speeds are faster than Verizon and my ping times are around 25ms.

    And when I don't get LTE, such as deep in a building, I'm still pulling around 10mbps down with HSPA+... Again, more than I got with Verizon.

    And this is a 10mhz market I believe...so I'm not going to see the speeds some of you all do.

    The negative, of course, is once I leave the city I know I'm pretty much SOL... Luckily I can count on one hand the number of times I have in the past 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volaris View Post
    That's not bad. That's all their 3G/4G coverage apart from the recent rural 4 million that they upgraded from 2G to 3G/4G. If they continue doing that to rural cities and highways, they'll be fine. No point in putting LTE where the backhaul isn't that good. T-Mobile 3G/4G is often faster than Sprint LTE.
    But by the same token, backhaul doesn't do Sprint squat if they're still using Nortel, Motorola, and Lucent gear or the other legacy junk used on the towers. It may help with EVDO but it doesn't do anything with the fact that CDMA is a dead end technology and that Sprint needs to catch up FAST with AT&T and Verizon Wireless. I don't know why Sprint choose to install the eNbs and antennas first (depending on the "build") before the backhaul and underlying infrastructure, but the end result is the same. To have a competitor that has a realistic chance of competing against AT&T and Verizon Wireless.

    Sprint cannot survive any longer with the equipment they have been running since they decided to merge and keep Nextel.

    As a matter of fact, I can start blasting at T-Mobile for installing stuff from almost a decade ago for a network that's only 3-4 years old. Forget about backhaul because the stuff they installed can only support up to a T-1/E-1. T-Mobile probably could have a expanded HSPA+ network in rural areas on the cheap if they had used ZTE or Huawei Node Bs in the meantime instead of paying for yesterdays equipment.
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    Sprint's LTE will see completion when?!
    I estimate a good 3x delay after when they say it will be complete just like every other timeframe they've set.
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