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    Amazon and dish to merge

    Pretty much ends the rumors of Verizon acquiring dish Network. http://www.investors.com/news/techno...-talks-report/

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    Heard it on the radio on the way home. You are right. That pretty much squashes the Verizon dish deal
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    So we will have 5 wireless carriers. Definitely need to consolidate them down to four

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    Amazon is probably most interested in IoT (drones, warehouses, shipping), but I bet they wouldn't mind deploying a nationwide wireless video network (Amazon Video and SlingTV). If they can front the cash for a build-out and sign up T-Mobile or Sprint to support the network, they'd have a pretty nice service.

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    This potential deal makes me wonder what Verizon's plans are now. They need a plan b if dish is off the table. I guess dish was never the plan a like many of us had hoped

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    Quote Originally Posted by b1geast View Post
    Amazon is probably most interested in IoT (drones, warehouses, shipping), but I bet they wouldn't mind deploying a nationwide wireless video network (Amazon Video and SlingTV). If they can front the cash for a build-out and sign up T-Mobile or Sprint to support the network, they'd have a pretty nice service.
    Why would Amazon need TMobile or sprint. Dish holds enough spectrum to pull off what they want. If Amazon wanted a partnership with TMobile or sprint they would of went after one. They didn't. Sprint and T-Mobile seem totally focused on partnering up together. It's the only real talks they've had with anyone and is likely the outcome there. If that happens they'd likely have to divest some spectrum and it could end up in dish's hands also. There is zero indication Amazon needs nor overly is looking for a partnership with sprint or TMobile to achieve what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus4509 View Post
    Why would Amazon need TMobile or sprint. Dish holds enough spectrum to pull off what they want. If Amazon wanted a partnership with TMobile or sprint they would of went after one. They didn't. Sprint and T-Mobile seem totally focused on partnering up together. It's the only real talks they've had with anyone and is likely the outcome there. If that happens they'd likely have to divest some spectrum and it could end up in dish's hands also. There is zero indication Amazon needs nor overly is looking for a partnership with sprint or TMobile to achieve what they want.
    Is it really worth dish and amazon building a network from the ground up? It would seem like Verizon att and tmo sprint are light years ahead in term of deployment. Wouldn't it take year to even build out close to them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    Not really anything new in it. It confirms the problems with Amazon or dish looking for a deal with any wireless provider. No company wants to deal with them so they are left to deal with each other. All that article says is they seem to be talking and may have a deal in place but we have no clue what the deal entails and any specifics of it because both companies are terrible to deal with and won't tell us anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fgpalm View Post
    Is it really worth dish and amazon building a network from the ground up? It would seem like Verizon att and tmo sprint are light years ahead in term of deployment. Wouldn't it take year to even build out close to them?
    Depends what their goals are and what they plan to do with the network. Why would Verizon TMobile or sprint want to deal with dish or Amazon though? Dish likely wants everything their way and Charlie be the CEO of everything and Amazon wants to brand everything with Amazon branding. Do you really want Verizon, brought to you by Amazon, with an Amazon ad right on your lockscreen every time you look at your phone? Let Amazon and dish work with each other. They deserve each other really. Dish will take Amazon's money to deploy the network and Charlie still gets to run dish like he's a big shot and Amazon get to plaster their name and ads over everything. They both get what they want. If any wireless provider had any interest in teaming up with either company nothing has been stopping them from at least engaging in talks with them, their have been zero reports of any of those talks happening.

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    T-Mobile's Carter: 'Of course' talks with Sprint will happen

    " And while Sprint may be T-Mobile’s most obvious potential dance partner, it certainly isn’t the only one. T-Mobile could merge with another player, Carter said, or with multiple companies looking to take on Verizon and AT&T in wireless."

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    T-Mobile's Carter: 'Of course' talks with Sprint will happen

    " And while Sprint may be T-Mobile’s most obvious potential dance partner, it certainly isn’t the only one. T-Mobile could merge with another player, Carter said, or with multiple companies looking to take on Verizon and AT&T in wireless."
    Yea...read down.....he specifically mentions over time a Comcast or charter alliance with a merged sprint/TMobile. Never even mentions dish. Get over it. TMobile isn't merging with dish. Nobody wants to merge with dish. Dish sucks to deal with, and that has zero to do with Amazon and dish partnering up or Verizon not acquiring dish. Not sure how it's even relevant at all to anything here. But great, Braxton Carter says sprint and TMobile will talk. Thanks for that. Was known ever since the CEO of d.t. said the same thing a week ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fgpalm View Post
    Is it really worth dish and amazon building a network from the ground up? It would seem like Verizon att and tmo sprint are light years ahead in term of deployment. Wouldn't it take year to even build out close to them?
    Exactly since Dish has until 2020 to build out 70% of their 700 Mhz spectrum after missing the 40% build out FCC requirement last month. The FCC just punished Straight Path Communications severely for missing their build out dates. Straight Path forfeited some spectrum to the FCC and must pay 20% of the proceeds from the sale to Verizon to the U.S. Treasury.

    Amazon and Dish would have to fight for Tower space and Backhaul fiber with out adding a current Cell network to the deal. The way cities use "Not in my Backyard" and tie up building new cell towers it would take 5 years to deploy Dish's 700 Mhz spectrum out to the 70% requirement by 2020. Any major network could simply just add that spectrum to their current cell towers and build out to meet that 70% build out to meet the FCC requirements. Amazon and Dish that have never designed or build out a terrestrial network doesn't even have the people in either company to even know how to do it. The FCC's clock on Dish Network spectrum is quickly ticking down and that 70% build out requirement makes having a current partnership with a major cell network a requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    Exactly since Dish has until 2020 to build out 70% of their 700 Mhz spectrum after missing the 40% build out FCC requirement last month. The FCC just punished Straight Path Communications severely for missing their build out dates. Straight Path forfeited some spectrum to the FCC and must pay 20% of the proceeds from the sale to Verizon to the U.S. Treasury.

    Amazon and Dish would have to fight for Tower space and Backhaul fiber with out adding a current Cell network to the deal. The way cities use "Not in my Backyard" and tie up building new cell towers it would take 5 years to deploy Dish's 700 Mhz spectrum out to the 70% requirement by 2020. Any major network could simply just add that spectrum to their current cell towers and build out to meet that 70% build out to meet the FCC requirements. Amazon and Dish that have never designed or build out a terrestrial network doesn't even have the people in either company to even know how to do it. The FCC's clock on Dish Network spectrum is quickly ticking down and that 70% build out requirement makes having a current partnership with a major cell network a requirement.
    Not at all. I'm sure if dish had some of it built by 2020 with actual plans in place of full build out they'd have zero issue getting an extension for build out. As for everything else that's what you hire engineers for. McAdams legere and Stephenson don't build or design networks either. They hire people for that. On a related note, shares of tower companies has jumped up ever since this was released. Wonder why.....must be because dish is planning on merging with TMobile that's it lol TMobile is just talking to SoftBank to make dish jealous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus4509 View Post
    Why would Amazon need TMobile or sprint. Dish holds enough spectrum to pull off what they want. If Amazon wanted a partnership with TMobile or sprint they would of went after one. They didn't. Sprint and T-Mobile seem totally focused on partnering up together. It's the only real talks they've had with anyone and is likely the outcome there. If that happens they'd likely have to divest some spectrum and it could end up in dish's hands also. There is zero indication Amazon needs nor overly is looking for a partnership with sprint or TMobile to achieve what they want.
    If the 3 companies signed a partnership instead of merger/acquisition, Sprint or T-Mobile could begin deploying Dish spectrum almost immediately. It's not easy or cheap to find new sites, purchase equipment, and requisition devices. Neither company has any experience in wireless. Dish spectrum is also incomplete, the low-band 700mhz isn't paired and mid-band spectrum needs significant density (for IoT). Dish unified Band 70 is not used by anyone. 600mhz won't go live for 2-4 years. Combining the assets with Sprint or T-Mobile means they can build a profitable network in 1-2 years and meet build-out deadlines.

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