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    iPhone 8, X, no 4CA on Belus!

    Such a disappointment Apple couldn’t source the two manufacturers of chipsets to support this feature! Next phone they should use one manufacture who supports it.. none of this intel/Qualcomm hardware/software even playing field crap..I see no reason to upgrade from a 6s/plus to a 7 / plus to an 8 or X.


    “The iPhone 8, X, only supports 60MHz of aggregation on bands that matter to Americans and Canadians. While Canada has 75MHz, 4x carrier aggregation up and running with Bell and Telus, the phone doesn’t support the 2/4/7/7 setup that they use, limiting the iPhone’s speed on those carriers. In Canada, it’s a 600Mbps phone, or LTE category 12.”

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    I don't believe it has anything to do with Intel vs. Qualcomm, they simply did not want to include that CA combo within their modem configuration as they wanted to maximize any US 4CA combos that would be used (as US carriers often don't have the full 20MHz per band like Canadian ones do).

    The phone supports the following CA combos according to the FCC docs:
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    Quote Originally Posted by zivan56 View Post
    I don't believe it has anything to do with Intel vs. Qualcomm, they simply did not want to include that CA combo within their modem configuration as they wanted to maximize any US 4CA combos that would be used (as US carriers often don't have the full 20MHz per band like Canadian ones do).

    The phone supports the following CA combos according to the FCC docs:
    Code:
    CA_2A-4A (0) (1) (2)
    CA_2A-5A (0) (1)
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    I don’t have my glasses on... 2/4/7/7 support is on that list?

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    No, it is not.

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    2/4/29 is on the list. Should be more than enough for any task.

    Honestly as cool as it is to get 500+ Mbps on a phone, it's not really necessary in my opinion. Apple's focus on the user experience makes more sense than always going for peak speeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheytoon View Post
    2/4/29 is on the list. Should be more than enough for any task.

    Honestly as cool as it is to get 500+ Mbps on a phone, it's not really necessary in my opinion. Apple's focus on the user experience makes more sense than always going for peak speeds.
    To my understanding Belus 4CA configurations is 2/4/7/7?
    I someonewhat agree with you about the speed factor however, when you’re paying $1000+ for a phone it be nice that it have the most up to date speed capabilities, no?

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    Yes, you're right. 2/4/7/7 will provide highest speeds, but 2/4/29 is still configured on the network.

    Fair point about the cost of the phone. It should have all the top features at that price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheytoon View Post
    Yes, you're right. 2/4/7/7 will provide highest speeds, but 2/4/29 is still configured on the network.

    Fair point about the cost of the phone. It should have all the top features at that price.
    What kind of speeds will 2/4/29 get? To my understanding band 29 is very sparsely spread at this point vs band 7? We’ve discussed this before but what are Belus CA configurations for 2CA and 3CA? 4 CA would be nice if it was 2/4/7/17, or 2/4/5/7 or 2/4/7/12 so we could enjoy those speeds over a longer distance unles I’m totally wrong since band 7 is evil for distance lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cayaguy View Post
    when you’re paying $1000+ for a phone it be nice that it have the most up to date speed capabilities, no?
    That'll be the next brilliant Apple innovation for iPhone XI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cayaguy View Post
    What kind of speeds will 2/4/29 get? To my understanding band 29 is very sparsely spread at this point vs band 7? We’ve discussed this before but what are Belus CA configurations for 2CA and 3CA? 4 CA would be nice if it was 2/4/7/17, or 2/4/5/7 or 2/4/7/12 so we could enjoy those speeds over a longer distance unles I’m totally wrong since band 7 is evil for distance lol
    2/4/29 would be 335 Mbps with 64QAM, or 445 Mbps with 256QAM.

    Any subset of CA combos are supported by the network. Main combos I'm aware of are 2/4/29, 2/4/12, 2/4/7/7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cayaguy View Post
    To my understanding Belus 4CA configurations is 2/4/7/7?
    I someonewhat agree with you about the speed factor however, when you’re paying $1000+ for a phone it be nice that it have the most up to date speed capabilities, no?
    Wait until LG releases it's LG V30 and only has the same amount of bands as a cheap Blu phone. Apparently the LG V30 will support 2/4/5/7/12/17, no band 13/26/29/30, or if you travel to Europe, no Band 1,3,8,20,etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheytoon View Post
    2/4/29 is on the list. Should be more than enough for any task.

    Honestly as cool as it is to get 500+ Mbps on a phone, it's not really necessary in my opinion. Apple's focus on the user experience makes more sense than always going for peak speeds.
    Their focus seems to be making the user experience **** with all the bugs and stupid design decisions on iOS 11.

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    Nice to see Apple rather put in impossible CA combos than letting Canadian have the upperhand with 4/7/7:
    1. US totally use band 7.
    2. Canadian telecoms owns many many discontiguous blocks of AWS-1.

    CA_5A-25A
    CA_7A_12A
    FINALLY! What's better than pairing the band with the highest frequency with the lowest one, when every other band would make for a better combo?

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    Those complaining about what CA US and Canada doesn't have and having Apple still include the combo's, you do realize that there is a whole world out there beyond these two countries that Apple caters to right?

    It also happens to be that some of those countries beyond these two's borders have some of the most impressive LTE speeds as well.
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