64K SIMS and ENS Phones Q&A (Resulting from Cingular and ATTWS Merger)

[kilo]

Originally posted by powertoburn
Can the network control the start of "sim services"?

I had not heard that one way or the other

[powertoburn]

I think when the phone registers with the network - and IMEI is reported - then the network can determine if ENS phone or not. Then start the "sim services"

It seems non ENS phones such as Nokia 6230 that use to say "WAIT" once phone is powered on no longer do that.

On my Nokia 7210 - I use to be able to turn off "confirm sim services" now it seems the option is greyed out and it says sim has no sim services.

All I can say I am now glad I can use my older phones with 64K sim

[PhillipD76]

Can anyone list here what phones the Cingular sells currently that DO have ENS support.

Also where can we look up if ENS is supported on a certain phone. I have looked at specs on phones on the manufacturers sites and no list an ENS support status.

I don't believe and answer to this is on the forum anywhere. At least not that the search can find.

[Mango808]

Originally posted by PhillipD76
Can anyone list here what phones the Cingular sells currently that DO have ENS support.
I don't believe and answer to this is on the forum anywhere. At least not that the search can find.

You won't find a definitive answer to exactly which ones are ENS or not. Some have been mentioned by Reps that see them listed as being ENS while other recent released phones in the last month or so are ENS compatible. Motorola V3, V551, v220 and MPX-220 are said to be. The Nokia 6230b is compatible. One of the LG models is also listed as ENS. It was also mentioned that all new phones coming out after January will be ENS.

From my opinion and stance on this is that I will still keep my 32K SIM's from both Cingular and AT&T since it won't make a difference to me which phone I use or which network I use. I still have access to the network whether I have or don't have the 64K SIM anyway.

[PhillipD76]

The reason why I ask is because I plan on getting a 6230 and I have read posts on here saying it is compatible and then some others that say is is not. I hope you are right.

Originally posted by Mango808
The Nokia 6230b is compatible.

[Mango808]

Originally posted by PhillipD76
The reason why I ask is because I plan on getting a 6230 and I have read posts on here saying it is compatible and then some others that say is is not. I hope you are right.

I don't have a 64K SIM since I'm out of my market anyway. The other 6230b users that have it say it works in the phone. They get the same "beeps" when they turn it on and then it registers. Now it seems after a few times the "beeps" no longer happen since the phone apparently has the updates. Either that or they turned off the ENS to try and fix it so it does work properly.

[powertoburn]

According to the corp store sales rep - he said the current 6230b is not ENS but a newer batch will be.

He said there is an ENS SKU and non ENS SKU.

He also stated the warehouse right now does not have ENS SKU in stock for order.

[ejhines]

12/9/04
I just returned from my Cingular store.
They have two simms:
1. 32k simm used before A t & T
2. 64k simm uses both Cingular and A t & T towers

I took my brand new, unlocked HP 6315 phone in, and their 64k simm will not work, we tried 3 of them.

They then put the old 32k simm in, and it worked right away, we tried 2 of them.

the 64k simm results in "invalid simm".

They called several Cingular stores, and tech support, and were told that the old style 32k simms were no longer available. So if you are a new Cingular customer, as I am, you cannot use the HP 6315 telephone with Cingular (since they have no more 32k simms).

[Mango808]

Originally posted by ejhines
They called several Cingular stores, and tech support, and were told that the old style 32k simms were no longer available. So if you are a new Cingular customer, as I am, you cannot use the HP 6315 telephone with Cingular (since they have no more 32k simms).

You can still find some 32K SIM cards on ebay. Just make sure you get the one that can be activated on your account according to your market.

8931017 - PacBell CA/NV

8901150 - BellSouth Mobilty DCS NC/SC (some GA/TN)

8910141 - Most other Cingular Markets.

[Justin5117]

Does anyone know if the z500a is a ENS capable phone?

[tamu911]

how can i tell if my phone is ENS capable...i just bought it yesterday, and it is a 3120 (nokia)

thanks yall!

[transeau]

Is there a utility that I can download for the MPx220 that will show me the network it's using?

Only thing I ever see on mine is "Cingular" or "Searching", even in an area with VERY GOOD AT&T coverage.

I was expecting my new MPx220 with a 64k SIM to work at my parents, where there AT&T GMS Phones work perfectly, and all I get is "Searching"

Any ideas?

[kilo]

Hey guys, I'm working on getting a list of which phones are ENS and which aren't, give me 48 hours

Originally posted by transeau
Only thing I ever see on mine is "Cingular" or "Searching", even in an area with VERY GOOD AT&T coverage.

I just want to make sure I understand you correctly... When it is likely your phone is picking blue you want some way of knowing for sure that its a blue network?

Try dialing an incomplete phone number and pressing send. Its likely that the error messages are different

Aside from that I do not know of a specific program. Try posting up in the cingular or att or motorla forums

[shaggymatt]

Apparently the 5600 is not ENS compatible. After much digressing, I got Cingular to switch my account to prefer Blue towers as they are a stronger player here. Previously sitting at my desk on Blue, I had all my cars. After migrating, my 5600 had no bars or one bar sitting here at my desk even after they reprogrammed it. I then decided to drop the (64K) SIM into the V220 that was provided for my account migration, and it was preferring Blue as I had all the bars.

[transeau]

Originally posted by kilo

I just want to make sure I understand you correctly... When it is likely your phone is picking blue you want some way of knowing for sure that its a blue network?

Exactly. I found a program called "TinyGPS" which is able to change profiles based on the Cell ID's it is comunicating with. (Cool idea... auto forward your calls to a land line with at home or work). Unfortunatly, it doesn't like my phone.