Can someone give me the link to Verizon's site with the TOS specically for V-Cast?
As others have said, my bill states "Unlimited KB" with the V-Cast Service, so AFAIC, the TOS specifically for V-Cast would override any other TOS. I haven't read anything on Verizon's website for not allowing Tethering specifically with V-Cast. From all the chatter here, I assume it is there, I just can't find it.
Originally Posted by nbro1
Geez, if I have to do one more person's homework I think I am gonna start charging!
Here is the link to the page that prohibits tethering on VCAST
Is it possible we've confused the feature VCast with EVDO technology, the terms of service, and call plans? Can anyone show me where I've agreed to a contract in which I've agreed to not use BT DUN? The basics of contract law requre that the terms of the contract be clear.
If no one minds I'll speak my piece. First of all is tethering with an EVDO phone possible...YES. Does VZW allow it...NO. Can they catch you. Yes and NO. The systems in place at this time are catching some customers but few and far in between. As far as the bluetooth transfer situation, no one would be asking this unless their phone was hacked because VZW intentionally disables OBEX on all phones except a few PDA's. (I730 and XV6600..Treo 650 does have some restrictions...haven't found them yet but VZW says that they are there and when it comes to restrictions please don't anyone doubt VZW.) As far as the unlimited kb usage it is only for VCast, Mobile Web, GIN and the minute you usually suck up sending a pic. The morale of the story is that there are a lot of things that you can do if you keep in touch with HoFo but don't ever call VZW if something goes wrong because they and I mean "We" are going to use the classic line...."We don't support that."
"You put my money to sleep, I'll put your brain to sleep!" Nicky Santoro - Casino
Thats because NOTHING has happened to anyone thats tethered. The ones saying this or that has happened or will happen are either......
#1 Working for verizon and aren't happy that you can beat their system.
#2 Customers ie:"aircard" that are po'd that we can get high speed internet for just $15 a month instead of $59.
Why do you think verizon turned off DUN on ver 4 of the software update on the 8100?? Cause thats the only way to stop you. I'm glad i kept my 8000.
First of all, screw VZW and yes I do work for them. I get a paycheck and that's that. Now do most people get caught tethering with EVDO....NO! I do know for a fact that just 2 days ago I had a customer billed for data usage. The call was transferred from customer care and after reviewing the IP addresses that he connected to, it was clear that these were not reached through VCast. At this point in time, if 1 out of 100 get caught that would probably be pushing it because the company contrary to popular belief VZW does not have an investigation team set up to find the people that are doing this. What I'm saying is that if the system does happen to bill you, VZW tech support can tell what you have been doing and make the charges stick. I told someone earlier, if you want to test this. "PM ME YOUR NUMBER AND I WILL TELL YOU EVERY IP ADDRESS THAT YOU HAVE CONNECTED TO." REAL TALK!
If a tech rep told you this, I hope he or she didn't get monitored because if so they got a 5.(BAD Business Alert) meaning they failed the call.
And he would roll his eyes and tell me not to listen to any Verizon employee who tells me differently because they don't really understand the system, haven't recevied special training on VCast, that he's annotated my account to this effect, not to worry, etc. Seriously, I've known this guy for years. He has the full respect of his own store manager and other nearby stores. I have his business card with his name and he has never steered me wrong. Other tech reps have confirmed this for me in another store and over the phone. I've documented all of this just to make sure that I, as a paying customer, understand exactly what I'm paying for. Whenever someone has told me anything to the contrary, I've told them that they're mistaken and they need to speak with the one true Geek. Some have promised to get back to me, but guess what, they never have.
But I guess because some anonymous person on the Internet said he's wrong he'll probably be fired tonight, won't be able to pay his mortgage, get evicted, his wife will divorce him and switch to Cingular, run away with Bob Nubiano, and no one will ever be allowed to tether again.
And he would roll his eyes and tell me not to listen to any Verizon employee who tells me differently because they don't really understand the system, haven't recevied special training on VCast, that he's annotated my account to this effect, not to worry, etc. Seriously, I've known this guy for years. He has the full respect of his own store manager and other nearby stores. I have his business card with his name and he has never steered me wrong. Other tech reps have confirmed this for me in another store and over the phone. I've documented all of this just to make sure that I, as a paying customer, understand exactly what I'm paying for. Whenever someone has told me anything to the contrary, I've told them that they're mistaken and they need to speak with the one true Geek. Some have promised to get back to me, but guess what, they never have.
But I guess because some anonymous person on the Internet said he's wrong he'll probably be fired tonight, won't be able to pay his mortgage, get evicted, his wife will divorce him and switch to Cingular, run away with Bob Nubiano, and no one will ever be allowed to tether again.
Glad you cleared that up for us!
First of all, people in stores don't even have access to MARS which is the system we use to view all activity from a phone. If they say you can't be caught, they are wrong. "Don't understand the system." He's never seen the system! Go into your store today and tell this store rep that your phone won't place or receive calls and watch him call tech support because they have access to absolutely squat and wouldn't even know about people being caught or how to catch them because the emails are only sent to people that matter. Being that they dont have access to the systems to catch the people, store reps are left out of the loop. They do ONE THING....SELL PHONES! Really all this conversation is moot. Dial *611 buddy and speak to someone that has access to something other than NetAce or EROES. Your tone will change.
First of all, people in stores don't even have access to MARS which is the system we use to view all activity from a phone. If they say you can't be caught, they are wrong. "Don't understand the system." He's never seen the system! Go into your store today and tell this store rep that your phone won't place or receive calls and watch him call tech support because they have access to absolutely squat and wouldn't even know about people being caught or how to catch them because the emails are only sent to people that matter. Being that they dont have access to the systems to catch the people, store reps are left out of the loop. They do ONE THING....Sell Phones! Really all this conversation is moot. Dial *611 buddy and speak to someone that has access to something other than EROES. Your tone will change.
Slow down, big guy. Sorry, if my attempt at humor offended you, but you might at least try to get your story straight. First you say that "VZW does not have an investigation team set up to find the people that are doing this" and then you talk about how you know all "about people being caught and how to catch them." Which is it?
Nobody told me I wouldn't get caught. They told me that I'm not doing anything wrong. Period. I spoke with people on *611 several times. Two people tried to help me set up what I wanted to do and another spoke with his supervisor for a long time and came back and said it was not allowed. So I told him to speak with the people in my store. In the end, he did more than that--he even sent a guy out in a truck to find out why my EVDO coverage at home was not as good as they thought it should be in the store. I pay my bill, I like my service, I'm a good customer, and I get good customer service. No reason for my tone to change. I do wish Verizon would offer you guys more consistent training, though, it's silly the way you all disagree about what's allowed and why. Good luck!
Originally Posted by unixadm
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