EVDO Tethering (Discuss in this Thread Only!)

[Monkeylala]

No wonder some here feel as if a babysitter is needed.

[themopedwhiz]

What account options should be on the account to best permit this?

spending $59 more a month by adding an unlimted data plan to your account

in theory you can do this, it would techinicaly be the same as having an aircard and paying for the 'data plan'

you would be paying the same price..for using the EVDO network as the aircard owners..

[patcat88]

spending $59 more a month by adding an unlimted data plan to your account

in theory you can do this, it would techinicaly be the same as having an aircard and paying for the 'data plan'

you would be paying the same price..for using the EVDO network as the aircard owners..

They still will try to cancel you. I pay $45 for my PDS (not vcast) and they tried to cancel it. Atleast with the higher ones you can claim "VPN traffic" if they try.

[zonka]

Help Please!
Two weeks ago I managed to tether my laptop to my e815 with a USB cable; it did work for couple of days - and stopped. When connecting, I get a message saying "the conection attempt failed because the modem (or other connecting device) on the remote computer is out of order".
My setup: I am signed up for VCast (though not sure whether it used VCAST or not). I am using Motorola Phone Tools and a USB cable. For the connection I set the dial up number to be #777, username <mynumber>@vzw3g.com, and password vzw - per postings in this forum.
In your response please note I am a newby - I do not know, for example, what is 1x connection, QNC, and many other terms I see here...
Ahhh... it was a great feeling to do email while in a car going ont he freeway... please help me to find this freedom again!!

[Nubiano]

Help Please!
Two weeks ago I managed to tether my laptop to my e815 with a USB cable; it did work for couple of days - and stopped. When connecting, I get a message saying "the conection attempt failed because the modem (or other connecting device) on the remote computer is out of order".
My setup: I am signed up for VCast (though not sure whether it used VCAST or not). I am using Motorola Phone Tools and a USB cable. For the connection I set the dial up number to be #777, username <mynumber>@vzw3g.com, and password vzw - per postings in this forum.
In your response please note I am a newby - I do not know, for example, what is 1x connection, QNC, and many other terms I see here...
Ahhh... it was a great feeling to do email while in a car going ont he freeway... please help me to find this freedom again!!

***This thread has been here forever. As far as the do and don'ts why's and why nots, I'm not even touching that *(&_*!. Here's some info as far as the connections just so you understand.****

EV = EVDO connection 400 - 700 kbps bursts up to 2mbps
1x = National Access 40 - 60 kbps bursts up to 144kbps
QNC = 14.4kbps ( charged at .25 per min for airtime overages )

P.S. None of these are allowed with your phone.

[0beron]

Let me start out by saying I live in a broadband dead zone. There's no wireless ISP available (though there are two close-by); there's no DSL or cable available (same story a few miles away and you do have these options); I won't go to Direcway (service and prices are terrible); Wildblue is full (no more installs). My phone line, also Verizon, is terrible. Some days I can't even use the phone for voice or data calls. They won't fix the problem until the line goes dead.

I'll add that I get a hefty discount through my employer on Verizon services that creates the tipping point.

Mobile Web works decent on my E815. I am saavy enough to connect the phone to my home PC or PDA for OBEX, DUN and the like, but I want to be "legal" about it.

It seems clear to me that tethering using the Mobile Web is frowned upon. I certainly shouldn't be downloading windows updates and the like.

So, how about National Access? (Unlimited BB access data plan) I live in a 1xRTT area, it will be awhile before EVDO shows up here. I would only be using the service after 5PM, I would like the ability to d/l a podcast or two overnight. Really, is that so wrong? I don't want to d/l movies, just podcasts, web surfing, occasional iTunes song and windows/driver updates. What is the consensus opinion regarding using Bluetooth and unlimited data plan over a (mobile) phone.

With $30 for phone line + $10 for dial-up ISP.... $20 more for twice the speed, I'll take that. About what I was paying for cable, albeit far more restrictive.

[robdam]

Ok, now that I have read the ENTIRE thread , I am THOROUGHLY confused. I had to change from a defective v710 to E815 and was disappointed to learn that the 815 cannot use DUN unless "tweaked". Well I think mine is tweaked but I recieve the following error when I use DUN:


"The CDMA connection could not be established, make sure that you have suscribed to the DATA option and that the GPRS network is accessible."

Any ideas?

[crashx22]

No one in this thread has been completely straight forward with an answer of weather or not minutes come out of your plan if you EVDO teather a E815 w/ Vcast plan....can someone please state that answer clearly?

[themopedwhiz]

verizons 'TOS' ( terms of service ) has been printed and quoted many times ( do a search )

in the text of the TOS it strictly forbids tethering the Vcast/EVDO phone to a computer having only a voice plan or a voice & Vcast plans..

according to the TOS you must have a data plan contract.

as too what you , can physicaly make work, varies from one area of the country to another. depending upon the accounts management and computers/servers of those areas

[robrecht]

No one in this thread has been completely straight forward with an answer of weather or not minutes come out of your plan if you EVDO teather a E815 w/ Vcast plan....can someone please state that answer clearly?

No, minutes are not deducted.

[crashx22]

Thank you.

Everyone seems to step so lightly around anything related to tethering that its hard to get a firm understanding of whats what with all think winking and nudging that we are supposed to understand. I think MODs would have closed this thread already if it was a problem discussing things flat out.

[jessright]

I used MPT (Motorola) Ver.4 and tethered my notebook to my Razr V3c before I realized it was an official (or not) "no no". I have Vcast (one month trial) and now, 1500K bits (or bytes) data later (it's popularly bits now isn't it?). I am wondering how to connect at 1x to hopefully fly under the radar with light use.

I guess I will search next for a 1x DUN FAQ or how to.

I am just loving this site. I dig being able to pull photos off my phone and having "the beast" ring tones.


Just wanted to say thanks, Thanks!
Peace out.

[iNaNimAtE]

Thank you.

Everyone seems to step so lightly around anything related to tethering that its hard to get a firm understanding of whats what with all think winking and nudging that we are supposed to understand. I think MODs would have closed this thread already if it was a problem discussing things flat out.

Seriously. I just bought an e815, and I am thoroughly confused as to what is possible and what is not, along with the consequences.

So, here is what I have gathered from this seemingly-disgrace of a thread:
For the e185:
In order to connect to the Internet via bluetooth or a USB cable using DUN (dial-up networking), you have three methods of data transfer:

EVDO, the fastest, with speed around 600Kbps.
1x, the middle, with speeds around 50Kbps.
QNC, the slowest, like a 14.4 modem (14.4Kbps).

Now, as to the charges involved.
If you use DUN with EVDO, what are you charged for? So far I understand that it does not come out of your allotted minutes, so where does it come from?

If you use 1x, it comes out of your allotted minutes. So, 1x + free nights and weekends = free Internet?

QNC, I have absolutely no idea...?

Now, the practical usage:
The Motorola e815 is an EVDO phone, meaning by default, when connected to a PC or PDA (along with that little red "EV" on the phone screen), it will connect using an EVDO connection. However, if you are in an area that does not have EVDO available, your phone will say "1x" on the screen, and you will connect with a 1x connection. I have no idea how to connect using QNC...

As to Verizon's TOS (Terms of Service), it appears that using an EVDO-capable phone (like the e815) for any type of networking, be it EVDO or 1x, is illegal/against your contract.

So, here are my questions:
Setting aside the legality issue,
1) What charges would one incur using an EVDO connection on a Motorola e815 with and without a $15/month subscription to Verizon's VCast? (So far, it appears that with a VCast subscription, EVDO should be free so long as it is not absued.)
2) If EVDO is indeed ungodly expensive, how can one switch their e815 phone to use 1x if it is in an area with an EVDO signal? (Which would supposedly then, while operating slower, come out of your minutes [which could be free if used at night/weekends]?)
3) What is QNC, how does one use it, and what does it cost?
4) Am I correct in everything that I have said? If not, please correct me.

[Humpa]

So, here are my questions:
Setting aside the legality issue,
1) What charges would one incur using an EVDO connection on a Motorola e815 with and without a $15/month subscription to Verizon's VCast? (So far, it appears that with a VCast subscription, EVDO should be free so long as it is not absued.)
2) If EVDO is indeed ungodly expensive, how can one switch their e815 phone to use 1x if it is in an area with an EVDO signal? (Which would supposedly then, while operating slower, come out of your minutes [which could be free if used at night/weekends]?)
3) What is QNC, how does one use it, and what does it cost?
4) Am I correct in everything that I have said? If not, please correct me.

1. I wouldn't chance it. It is against Verizon's TOS to tether an EVDO capable phone. If you want to "try and fly under the radar", go ahead. But I wouldn't.
If you do connect via DUN on an EVDO phone, it will use normal minutes of usage whether you are in an EVDO or 1xrtt area. If you have $15/month VCast, then it will not use minutes (whether you are in an EVDO or 1xrtt area). At least that is how it will be untill they charge or cancel you (If they do anything, that is. They may do nothing at all for light usage - but no one knows for sure.).
2. You cannot even purchase a data plan for an EVDO capable phone - call 611 and ask, and you'll see.
3. QNC - Even though it is against Verizon's TOS to tether an EVDO capable phone, I would feel comfortable using this method. Simply use a normal Bluetooth DUN connection and use your ISP's phonenumber and username/password. If you are connected on the painfully slow 14.4k network, then you should be all set.

The problem is that no one really knows for sure what Verizon will allow to "fly under the radar". If you want to use DUN, then you ought to get a 1xrtt phone.

[themopedwhiz]

I'll try to make this simple ,it's all DUN ! even data plans are consisdered DUN ( the aircard is assigned a phone number

unless you are paying for a data plan or Vcast, all calls come out of your minutes

those of us that have been doing this from before EVDO & Vcast 'ala' ( QNC & 1xRTT ) have things like NA or enchance services which allow usd to make the data call BUT it comes off of MY minutes and I usually go online at night because my plan has unlimted nights & weekends.

QNC was the 1st DUN,

1xRTT was DUN #2 ( that wasn't verizons orginal intention BUT that was what happen ) those using QNC upgraded their phones & service paid $5 PerMonth for Mobile web ( the back door, We where supposed to connect to Vzw's 'get it now' and pay for downloading ringtones & games ) ,

then tethered their phones
and got the near same speed as the 1xRTT data card and avoided the $89 a month VZW was charging for using the connection

then along came EVDO & Vcast and verizon decicded to make the TOS very clear.

as far as I know an EVDO phone cannot be forced into 1xRTT mode on data calls IF an EVDO signal is present. so verizon says NO tethering, that bandwidth is reserved for Vcast & EVDO data cards and paying EVDO data customers

the phone will sense and automatically used the EVDO broadband network for either Vcast videos or your tetherd web surfing even when dialing in using the 1xRTT PW & ID

as far as I know any phone can be forced into the QNC link because the call goes to a server for that purpose

the number #777

ID QNC

PW QNC

and the call will come off of the plan minutes

I did this with my Qualcomm 860 slimline for 3 years ( before 1xRTT phones came out )

AN EVDO/Broadband data aircard is DUN #3 $59 was 69 was 89

VZW said NO to using Vcast at $15 a month ,NOT enough payment for the use of the Bandwith / Hi-Speed.

yes , it is sometimes possible to pay for a vcast plan & tether the phone, BUT verizon has the legal right to come back and bill you for EVERY minute of it IF they decicde to do so.

IF however you are using the phone to dial a regular ISP # like AOL or Earthlink

the phone will treat this call as a regular call, you will connect at 14.4-Kb max and (as far as I know) the call will be billed as a regular phone call and come off your minutes.

because it will NOT utilize either of the (2) higher speed connections

this does not mean that VZW will not elimate QNC service in the future,
it just means that it is STILL working and that an EVDO phone can dial a landline ISP phone number at the slow rate and be billed as phone call minutes, unitll VZW drops that option