I think it just a matter of staying under the radar. If you have massive amounts of data usage, someone will likely notice and audit your account. I've sort of deduced this because...
a) I've used it paired with my Dell Axim x50v to access a terminal server at my office on many occasions. I've also since gotten a bill from Verizon that showed no added charges. This tells me that I didn't set off any alarms.
b) I could sit here and download every VCAST item 400 times each which would move a massive amount of data. To my mind there wouldn't be anything Verizon could or even would do because they sold me unlimited VCAST, and were happy to do it. They had to have considered that some shut-ins might do this. This tells me that they're not really as high styrung on this as many people might think.
c) They could have very easily restricted network access to to their own network, but they didn't. Gotta wonder why. An evil plot to trick you into a false sense of security the SLAM you with a giant bill? Maybe. But I think it's more like this...
The official position is that it's a no-go and that's that. This I think is because although they won't admit it, there is some possibility that large scale use could put the network in a bind. Being that they have to balance testing time with speedy market delivery, thye may not have done all the testing they should have. Or maybe some markets are weaker in capacity than they want to let us know.
Now... while "no tethering" may be the official position, I suspect that if you don't f*** up their universe, they're more than likely not going to f*** up yours. Case in point... has anyone read the fine print on their broadband connection agreement? Depending on your cable provider, it likely reads something to the effect that you are not to use more than 500MB of bandwidth daily, and doing so can result in termination. I however routinely use more than that and nobody has said a word about it. My thinking on this is basically the same thing I put forth above... I don't f*** up their universe, they don't f*** up mine. Meaning that so long as I don't cause problems for them or their customers, they're not likely to cause problems for me.
The conclusion is... you can probably get away with it for a good long time, maybe even indefinitely. But they've went and protected their position, so if you start going nuts with it you're likely to pay the price.
-T.
Pretty much sums it up.
The absolute 100% official position is it's a NO GO. No. Don't do it. Not allowed, Can terminate your service, bad, no cookie, go to bed without desert, etc etc.
I can't show proof of someone getting cancelled for this, it would be an extreme confidentiality issue that I'm not willing to break for anything, aside from perhaps a large sum of money. (very large...it's a violation of my moral ethics lol) BUT, it does happen, happened today, of course I declined the customers ETF credit.
-No longer have any affiliations with Verizon Wireless, aside from my personal service. WOOT! I'm FREE!
-Part of the VZW Customer Council
-It's all Bumblebee tuna to me.
They really need to allow tethering on EV-DO phones. They just need to make a way to differentiate between accessing at EV-DO speeds, and QNC (14.4) speeds, not sure how easy or hard that would be to implement, but it's something they should look into.
I don't want to rip them off and get internet from Unlimited vCast minutes, I just want to access the internet at 14.4 speeds deducting from my minutes, as it works on other phones (ex. LG VX6100)
Bear in mind that there are a few "Verizon Special Forces Black Ops Task Force Terminator Team Members" on these forums who delight in trying to scare others into thinking they have some clout or inside info on what Verizon will or won't do to those who "Dare" to tether.
Total BS in MY OPINION, and I'm willing to take my chances without any substantive details of who they are with these pearls of wisdom. Why is it so important to threaten us unofficially, instead of going through their inside track and send us a notice of breach of contract from the company?
I think someone called them Kiosk Kiddies. Kinda has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
PS. I believe they might be getting a spiff if they sell additional data services to customers, so God Forbid the word should get out you can get data with just the $15 Vcast add on.
people dowloaded off napster thinking they wouldn't get sued. do you have a cute name for them?
I don't, but I didn't make up the other one either. I am working on one for the Enron guys if that makes you feel any better. Since they're all doing the same thing and all.
By the way, if you're a VZ reseller, how much of a spiff do YOU get for bundling a data plan in with service?
Do you feel obligated to warn your customers like you spread the gospel on the board about the evils of angering the VZ gods?
Let's keep the apples with the apples. My bill is due any day now, I'll let you know if I'm to be "Terminated with Extreme Prejudice". You don't seem to be able to come up with any first person examples.
So nice to have someone soooo deep in the VZ organization giving us the "REAL" story.
NEWS FLASH: !!
Just checked my bill for last month and as expected, NO CHARGES for Data. Gee, what a surprise. All my Vcast downloads were registered, so I know it was for a period I was using DUN in an EVDO area. Did some speed tests using bluetooth to laptop, and the results were higher than 1X can clock.
I don't, but I didn't make up the other one either. I am working on one for the Enron guys if that makes you feel any better. Since they're all doing the same thing and all.
By the way, if you're a VZ reseller, how much of a spiff do YOU get for bundling a data plan in with service?
Do you feel obligated to warn your customers like you spread the gospel on the board about the evils of angering the VZ gods?
Let's keep the apples with the apples. My bill is due any day now, I'll let you know if I'm to be "Terminated with Extreme Prejudice". You don't seem to be able to come up with any first person examples.
So nice to have someone soooo deep in the VZ organization giving us the "REAL" story.
NEWS FLASH: !!
Just checked my bill for last month and as expected, NO CHARGES for Data. Gee, what a surprise. All my Vcast downloads were registered, so I know it was for a period I was using DUN in an EVDO area. Did some speed tests using bluetooth to laptop, and the results were higher than 1X can clock.
PS: Which mall kiosk do you work at?
Er, I don't think giving out either first hand examples or our specific locations would be wise. Some of us may not be rocket scientists, but we're not that dull.
Peoples accounts don't get terminated the first time, they are hotlined.
Second occurence the account is disconnected.
I have several friends that work in the department that handles the suspensions and disconnects.
It happens. And i am gonna laugh if it happens to you.
This is kinda a stupid question but I have National Access Unlimited, and I locked my phone to 1xRTT. Am I going to run into a problem down the road with this and find myself on the wrong end of an ETF? I don't use the EVDO network (nor can I access it, I don't have premium network access on my account).
If you really expect an interesting signature, look elsewhere ... - AT&T *really* amazed me, but their spotty 3G network lost me.
My point is, no one gives any specifics, it's allways "It Happens, It Really Happens, I know but can't Say" and that's supposed to be good enough? BS One clown went so far as to say "We terminated about 12 users recently for this". What crap. He's got delusions of grandeur, he's probably afraid to "Terminate" a spider.
Then, someone else, like Roc a fella has his version of a second hand account of the way it "Really Is".
Seems like there are about 3-4 repeat posters who for some reason just gotta try and keep people from using Vcast for data downloads. Always implying the ETF is just around the corner for those who are "Getting Away With It" for now, but very soon the "Verizon Death Squad Danger Rangers" will swoop down and punish us.
It's gotten to the point that their threats aren't even as funny as they used to be, SO SAD.
All of you out there who fit these descriptions, remember, most of the users will just go to another carrier even if we were cut off. It's no big deal to be with Verizon. They need us, we don't need them.
The official position is that it's a no-go and that's that. This I think is because although they won't admit it, there is some possibility that large scale use could put the network in a bind. Being that they have to balance testing time with speedy market delivery, thye may not have done all the testing they should have. Or maybe some markets are weaker in capacity than they want to let us know.
I'm willing to bet that they don't want you to tether your laptop because they'd much rather you buy a $300 PCMCIA Card and tail-rape you for $80 a month for BroadbandAccess; It probably has little to do with their network capacity.
My point is, no one gives any specifics, it's allways "It Happens, It Really Happens, I know but can't Say" and that's supposed to be good enough? BS One clown went so far as to say "We terminated about 12 users recently for this". What crap. He's got delusions of grandeur, he's probably afraid to "Terminate" a spider.
Then, someone else, like Roc a fella has his version of a second hand account of the way it "Really Is".
Seems like there are about 3-4 repeat posters who for some reason just gotta try and keep people from using Vcast for data downloads. Always implying the ETF is just around the corner for those who are "Getting Away With It" for now, but very soon the "Verizon Death Squad Danger Rangers" will swoop down and punish us.
It's gotten to the point that their threats aren't even as funny as they used to be, SO SAD.
All of you out there who fit these descriptions, remember, most of the users will just go to another carrier even if we were cut off. It's no big deal to be with Verizon. They need us, we don't need them.
Well it's just obvious that we won't give out details, if people can't understand that, that's their issue. You are always gonna get some people who blow smoke, but a quick postcheck gives you a better idea.
If you notice, most of us are trying to educate a few things:
1. Regardless of what people say, unless it comes from Verizon themselves, tethering without a data package is against the terms and conditions and therefore theft of service.
2. It does happen that people get disconnected.
3. YMMV.
We really don't care what people do, it's their business. We just want to educate. Then you get people over and over and over saying it's fine, or asking the same question over and over again. I suppose it's possible to feel like you are beating your head against a brick wall. That's all.
Depends on whom you ask. No doubt some will quote Verizon's Terms of Service to say that no tethering of any kind is allowed. Others will tell you that the now 1x QNC or 1xRTT costs only minutes, or peak minutes. Others will tell you that $15/mo VCast also entitles you to unlimited tethered data.
... Seems to me that my (verbal) contract with Verizon didn't mention any terms of service.
Is there such a thing as a verbal contract with Verizon?
I called CS and had them note on my account that I can tether at 1x speeds to check email and browse the web and only be charged minutes. I have a VX8000 but have forced the phone to 1x to tether. I am not sure if the note will do much of anything but the nice CS lady said that I will get credit for anything if I do get charged (the first time) so that was nice of her.
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