1. I see all kinds of reasons for people to lie on the forum. Some want to be considered a "Guru" or all knowing member. Some actually work selling the data plans and don't want the word to be out that VZ isn't really doing much about those who use the data capabilities of the equipment they sold us. Some may be paying for service that others use, and they are jealous. Some people are just contrary and live on rumors and what they "Think" is logical or the right thing to do, so they claim it as fact. Etc.
I've changed my email address, and also my board login once, and others can set up a separate account name at home and at work with 2 identities. I've had VZ service since 1995 but only began to post on the forum this year, so the date of record shows that.
1. I see all kinds of reasons for people to lie on the forum. Some want to be considered a "Guru" or all knowing member. Some actually work selling the data plans and don't want the word to be out that VZ isn't really doing much about those who use the data capabilities of the equipment they sold us. Some may be paying for service that others use, and they are jealous. Some people are just contrary and live on rumors and what they "Think" is logical or the right thing to do, so they claim it as fact. Etc.
I've changed my email address, and also my board login once, and others can set up a separate account name at home and at work with 2 identities. I've had VZ service since 1995 but only began to post on the forum this year, so the date of record shows that.
I'm going to make a statement here and its not directed towards you specifically dale.
Realistically, you could post anything you wanted. Still most would believe you.
Users in the forum have a tendency of believing those with positive track records for information. Why you (not specifically) have a reason to lie, the people who generally deliver correct information on a consistent basis don't.
I could really care less if you are disconnected. All it would do is provide a good laugh and I told you comment on my part.
Some people are just contrary and live on rumors and what they "Think" is logical or the right thing to do, so they claim it as fact. Etc.
I think that's the case 90% of the time.
Originally Posted by roc a fella
Users in the forum have a tendency of believing those with positive track records for information.
If that were only true. Fact is, people will believe most of what they read regardless of the source. And THAT is the the fault of the people, not the source. I've been in IT for 15 years. No place else can you witness the way people will just plain shut off their brain when they feel they are in the presence of someone they perceive as smarter than them in a given area of expertise. Major pet-peeve of mine.
3. I agree with Mike240se. STOP CALLING VERIZON!!! Do you call the cops to ask if it is okay that you always go 10 over the speed limit on elm street??? HELL NO!!!
I love that analogy, why didnt i think of that
Just have to add that everytime your buddies call the cops and ask that they give a different answer eventually the captian is going to find out about these calls and stick a cop to catch people on elm street.
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Originally Posted by thernlund
<sigh> This thread went down hill fast.
To the original poster... you should take all this with a gain of salt. Any "insider" you find here could easily just be a plain old store rep who once spoke with a low-level support tech and got a big head over it. I know at least 8 VZ employees ranging from plain old rep to store manager, and none of them, even the ones who work together, can get their stories straight. They're my friends and I can't trust THIER "insider intel". Why trust some jacka$$ on the Internet who may not even have Verizon service, much less be a "VZ Insider". There is a strong possibility that many who claim to be "insiders" are actually nobodies. I've lurked a very long time and I suspect 1 or 2 folks of, shall we say, using the natural anonimity of the Internet to their advantage.
Even if they are VZ reps or whatever, knowing how VZ treats these reps I can say with some degree of comfort that they really don't know much more about the inner workings of VZ than we do.
Not to take away from all the great info many folks post here. It's greatly appreciated by my myself and I'm sure others. But really, most (if not all) of the tech stuff I've seen on these boards is perfectly doable by any mid-level programmer who takes the time do download the BREW SDK from Qualcomm (free I might add) and read through it.
Nothing I've ever seen here is indicative of "insider knowledge". All it tells me is that there's a good group of smart folks contributing to the board.
As far as me, my last post in this thread is what I think the deal is. But hey, that's me. I'm just going to keep doing what I do. You should decide for yourself.
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Amen! Ive seen a few people in here that claim to know stuff, but are blowing smoke, regardless of when they got onto this forum.
Yes I might be new on this forum, but I have been in the CS and even the Tech side of things (testing reception areas,etc) for more than 12 years, for more than 4 major cellular companies (Sprint (before they merged to Altel), ALTEL, VERIZON, SPRINTPCS and soon NEXTEL and Cingular) either directly, or through various agents.
While there are some GEEKS in here that are good at hacking cellular programming, other things like policies, proceedures, and good old fashion working with the public, is far from their actual knowledge. I regularly quiz kids (at various stores) who have been working "for a year or so" and they give all kinds of bad answers on even basic technology questions, or mix up terminalogies. I personally deal with over 1000+ (I do over 600 tickets a month) people per month on cellular stuff in my store. Troubleshooting, either in store, or over the phone to tech support, makes you know what is happening with various issues.
There is too much "my friends work at this company" but that is the nature of forums. Many just dont know, or are trained for just ONE or TWO issues.
All I can say is: Take half the stuff you hear as a grain of salt, and verify everything else. Too many 15 year olds that have egos of 23 year olds on the net, and forums anymore. You tend to loose that with age. At 32 years of age...and 12+years of service, I just dont care what people think of me, especially on forums. I just state the facts and let the fire land where it may.
Cellular phones and service has been my life for past 12 years... I have heard almost all the customer questions including "How does a HOME phone work?"
I totally agree with what you just said Jacob. I'm very new to this forum (just signed up 30 mins ago) and while looking around, I noticed a couple people that appear to be talking out of their a$$es. I will admit that I do not know a whole lot about the tech side of cell phones or with Verizon in general; and I can only give my side or opinion based on personal experience. I agree with your statement "my friends work for this company". I hear stories atleast once or twice a week about someone's friend working LG, or Motorola, or VZ HQ trying to give me inside scoops about some gibberish. Half of them turn out to be true, the other half, bogus.
Going back to the tethering thing, we all know that Verizon will not sit there and audit every single one of the customer's accounts to see if they're tethering. But like someone said in earlier, don't surprised if you're slammed with a big bill. I was told at a meeting once that Verizon will charge you the KB overage fees and will terminate a contract for mal use of service. For example, if you have an Audiovox VX6600 and you would like to use your phone was a wireless modem, you must sign up for the unlimited National Access. Will it work without it? Perhaps, and that is the whole point of this thread. If you know its wrong, don't do it. Verizon will usually warn the first time.
It doesn't come across as trying to educate, it sounds like a veiled threat. It sounds too much like someone either "Playin' The Role" or pretending to have the inside track with VZ info on the forum.
Besides, who made you the mommy? Why do you feel you have to educate all of us about the evils of tethering?
I think every one gets it that you and a few others are opposed to tethering. Your reasons for this attitude are unclear. Why should you care if anyone gets billed or ETF'ed or not? Please explain that if nothing else.
To the best of my knowledge, VZ does not have any data plan available for handset users to tether to a laptop. Not even the $80 data plan may be applied to an E815.
So, if you want to call tethering "Theft Of Service" please describe what service we're stealing and how much value VZ has placed on this service. As a matter of law, you cannot steal something that has no value. That's how they determine if theft is petty or grand theft for example. You're really clutching at straws to stoop to call it stealing. Worst case is it's breach of contract.
So if you want to help everyone as you infer, come up with a solution or workaround. Don't just imply the End Is Near.
You know, that's a good question. Why would I want to save someone money and headache? Could it be that I have a personal interest in helping people? Nah, can't be.
Who made me the mommy? Well I sure feel like it when I get people whining, complaining, begging, throwing tantrums like a 5 year old. "I didn't know that!" "No one told me!" "I promise not to do it again!" etc etc etc. So, as opposed to someone having to go to that level, I prefer to educate them on the specific and precise policies and reprocussions of their actions. You are correct in that I really shouldn't care. While at work I won't try to manipulate the rules and policies to approve whatever help and/or credit I can, even if it is vague. I'll stick to the letter of the law, stop caring, and just tell the customers "Oh, the policy is this, I don't care if you weren't told, informed or otherwise. You got your contractual agreement, I'm holding you to it, period." End the call and move on, happy as a clam that I could have very easily helped them out, given them the credit for their etf/airtime/LD/roaming/etc etc but chose to shaft them.
Which would you prefer if you had a situation? A person who cares and bends over backwards to help you, or one that shows no care and, for all intents and purposes, tells you to "get lost"?
Saying that I'm opposed to tethering is a bold faced lie. Point to a post I stated that. I think you'd find that I support it. I just happen to know what the policies are and chose not to do it, and recommend others don't as well. If you know the risks, that's your choice.
Theft
Function: noun
Etymology: Old English thiefth
: LARCENY; broadly : a criminal taking of the property or services of another without consent
Is this not what tething does?
I come up with solutions and work arounds all the time. Asking me to work around policies that is in no way confusing to me, is...well...um, wrong. That's what criminals do...
Anyhow, do as you please, it really doesn't make any difference to me.
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BFEINZIMER, so you got the call...that confirms the obvious...my question for you is just how much data do you think you pumped over your tethered connection to cause this...
Did you just check email and hit a couple web sites occationally or where you downloading files, p2p, or streaming movie clips etc etc etc....
I'm trying to narrow down what VZ considers excessive bandwidth usage..
New arrival from Sprint, traded in an A500 for an international A790. I assume when I tehher this phone I will only receive National Access not EVDO, true
Theft
Function: noun
Etymology: Old English thiefth
: LARCENY; broadly : a criminal taking of the property or services of another without consent
Is this not what tething does?
I come up with solutions and work arounds all the time. Asking me to work around policies that is in no way confusing to me, is...well...um, wrong. That's what criminals do...
Anyhow, do as you please, it really doesn't make any difference to me.
"Without consent" Seems like you've ignored my posts. If I have the consent, even the encouragement, of data support reps for what I'm doing, do you still consider me a thief and a criminal? Get real!
"Without consent" Seems like you've ignored my posts. If I have the consent, even the encouragement, of data support reps for what I'm doing, do you still consider me a thief and a criminal? Get real!
isn't there already a sticky ( here ) about this subject. don't you find it funny that people are getting phone calls as a warning for doing this?
if you want to know what i benefit for selling data as an indirect. absolutely nothing. i dont get paid a spiff for selling a data plan period. my spiffs are on how high the rate is that the client signs up for. i, like every single person don't want clients coming back and screaming at us because we didn't tell them what they can and can't do with the service. if it's listed in the TOS that should be enough but apparantly just because you haven't been caught yet means that it's okay.
as i said before to you daleraver you are more than welcome to call and talk to the data team in the tampa call center. they are highly educated on this subject and will advise you not to tether with EVDO. if you aren't scared about them doing anything then you might as well call them up and let them know.
BTW, i don't pay for my aircard. VZW pays for it monthly in co-op dollars. if i knew i could use my 8100/E815 then i would leave the aircard at a store location and just carry my phone.
you did sign your name to the contract afterall and it is stated in the TOS that tethering is not permitted on VCAST phones with a VCAST plan.
New arrival from Sprint, traded in an A500 for an international A790. I assume when I tehher this phone I will only receive National Access not EVDO, true
your phone NA MOU capable, not EVDO. you will be fine.
isn't there already a sticky ( here ) about this subject. don't you find it funny that people are getting phone calls as a warning for doing this?
I don't find it funny, but I do find it interesting and would like to know more about "this" situation. What exactly is the "this" that people are getting calls about?
Originally Posted by cellularsales
if you want to know what i benefit for selling data as an indirect.
Nope, not really interested.
Originally Posted by cellularsales
if it's listed in the TOS that should be enough but apparantly just because you haven't been caught yet means that it's okay.
I don't think you read any of my posts on this subject, not even the one you are trying to respond to, if you attribute this attitude to me.
Originally Posted by cellularsales
you did sign your name to the contract afterall and it is stated in the TOS that tethering is not permitted on VCAST phones with a VCAST plan.
No, I signed my name to a credit card receipt, not a contract, and if Verizon wants to change the terms of their sale to me then they will be reimbursing me for a number of things that were contingent upon my purchase.
Originally Posted by daleraver
eventually the captian is going to find out about these calls and stick a cop to catch people on elm street.
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