So the answer is no evdo tethering at all on evdo phones? Even if theres NO vcast package?
Especially if there's no VCAST package--that's the near consensus on this board. And yet, some Verizon employees will tell you that modest data tethering at EV-DO speeds while paying $15/mo for VCAST is indeed acceptable.
I don't find it funny, but I do find it interesting and would like to know more about "this" situation. What exactly is the "this" that people are getting calls about?
Nope, not really interested.
I don't think you read any of my posts on this subject, not even the one you are trying to respond to, if you attribute this attitude to me.
No, I signed my name to a credit card receipt, not a contract, and if Verizon wants to change the terms of their sale to me then they will be reimbursing me for a number of things that were contingent upon my purchase.
if you actually bothered to read my post you would see i was responding in part to you and the other half to daleraver. notice how i posted his name and directed it to him? apparantly not.
if you actually bothered to read the thread that i linked to you would see that the person who started the thread got a warning call for tethering on EVDO.
BTW the credit card receipt you signed says you agree to all VZW's TOS that was given to you at the point of purchase.
if you actually bothered to read my post you would see i was responding in part to you and the other half to daleraver. notice how i posted his name and directed it to him? apparantly not.
if you actually bothered to read the thread that i linked to you would see that the person who started the thread got a warning call for tethering on EVDO.
BTW the credit card receipt you signed says you agree to all VZW's TOS that was given to you at the point of purchase.
No, that was not at all clear from your post (or your use of daleraver's name in one small paragraph to which I made no reference). So to what exactly in my posts were you trying to respond???
And I had already read the thread that you linked to, but "tethering on EVDO" is hardly precise enough to evaluate the situation and I've asked BFEINZIMER elsewhere to clarify his situation. BTW, the the credit card receipt that I signed does NOT say that I agree to all of VZW's TOS that were given to me at the point of purchase,* and nothing that was given to me says I can't tether, while some things that I was given certainly imply that I can, not to mention what I was told by Verizon personnel prior to my purchase being finalized.
*So, if you're wrong about that, what else might you be wrong about?
No, that was not at all clear from your post (or your use of daleraver's name in one small paragraph to which I made no reference). So to what exactly in my posts were you trying to respond???
And I had already read the thread that you linked to, but "tethering on EVDO" is hardly precise enough to evaluate the situation and I've asked BFEINZIMER elsewhere to clarify his situation. BTW, the the credit card receipt that I signed does NOT say that I agree to all of VZW's TOS that were given to me at the point of purchase,* and nothing that was given to me says I can't tether, while some things that I was given certainly imply that I can, not to mention what I was told by Verizon personnel prior to my purchase being finalized.
*So, if you're wrong about that, what else might you be wrong about?
fax me all your receipts that you signed and i'll get your account notated that you will never pay for any charges occured by tethering. pm me and i'll give you the # you can send it to at my office.
if my posts weren't clear enough including where i even said DALERAVER specifically then you need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. it's funny how you say i didn't read the thread yet i repsonded to several questions that many have posted in this thread. which you would have noticed if you had bothered to read anything besides your own rants.
BTW, verbal doesn't mean anything when your name is signed to a copy of the TOS that specifically forbids this type of service. note that i'm not saying you will get a letter for doing small amounts but for those who abuse (what constitutes abuse will be up to the data team, which you can call at the tampa call center anytime) but its' those of you who think you can transfer all the data you want for 15$ while other clients are paying 80 for the same service.
You are not allowed to use any VCast phone as a 'modem'.
You are not allowed, by your TOS to use any EVDO capable phone as a 'modem' to connect to the internet on your PC.
This is very simple, if you can get around it, great go for it. If you get busted for it and they charge you 5k for it, don't be suprised.
I watched a customer the other day, have that problem. He was complaining that he got free data on his tethered modem for 2years. Then wanted it back after his recent upgrade to the E815.
He kept pushing it and kept pushing it, and a customer care supervisor charged him for all the data he incurred. They were nice, they only charged him 59.99/month for 2years.
So next time you sit there and say I want this I want that, keep in mind that You could be nailing yourself in a coffin.
For every effect in the universe there is an opposite and resounding response to your effect. So keep in mind, Karma is a *****
Thank you enjoy, sticky this post and close it really guys we say this 500x a day.
You can always find someone willing to let you connect on your E815, but when you find someone who knows their job, and they correct it. You're just asking for it in the end then.
Any and all statements in this post are purely concidental and have no bearing on reality, my current employer, or any previous employer.
fax me all your receipts that you signed and i'll get your account notated that you will never pay for any charges occured by tethering. pm me and i'll give you the # you can send it to at my office.
if my posts weren't clear enough including where i even said DALERAVER specifically then you need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. it's funny how you say i didn't read the thread yet i repsonded to several questions that many have posted in this thread. which you would have noticed if you had bothered to read anything besides your own rants.
BTW, verbal doesn't mean anything when your name is signed to a copy of the TOS that specifically forbids this type of service. note that i'm not saying you will get a letter for doing small amounts but for those who abuse (what constitutes abuse will be up to the data team, which you can call at the tampa call center anytime) but its' those of you who think you can transfer all the data you want for 15$ while other clients are paying 80 for the same service.
1. Point to a single rant that I have ever posted on this board.
2. Point to my post where I supposedly said you hadn't read this thread. I did say that, based on your response to me, you obviously had not read my posts, at least not with any real understanding.
3. Again, tell me what, if anything, in my posts you were supposedly trying to respond to, that is if you care to have a substantive discussion.
4. If you can't do any of the above, try to back out of as graciously as you can and save some face.
Sorry. I am not a reseller, I do not work at Verizon, I not know anybody who works at Verizon, nor at any reseller. There is no such thing as a verbal contract based on what a rep tell you. Verizon (as does every company in the US) publishes a Customer Agreement. In the USA, it is the customer's responsibility to hunt this down and read it. Actually, your bill usually has some reference as to where to find it. "I didn't know" or "I was never told" are not reasonable defenses. The customer accepts when they do any of the following (as copied from Verizon's)
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* Give us a written or electronic signature;
* Tell us orally or electronically that you accept;
* Activate your service through your wireless phone;
* Open a package that says you are accepting by opening it; or
* Use your service after making any change or addition when we've told you that the change or addition requires acceptance."
The Verizon customer agreement states that calling plan terms are automatically made part of the agreement and the Verizon PDA plans say:
"......plans cannot be used: (1) for any applications that tether the device to laptops, PCs, or other equipment for any purpose, (2) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games, (3) with server devices or with host computer applications other than the BlackBerry Enterprise Server, including, without limitation, Web camera posts or broadcasts, continuous jpeg file transfers, automatic data feeds, telemetry applications, automated functions or any other machine-to-machine applications, (4) as substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections......"
These are just facts. I make no judgment whether this is enforced or not, right or wrong, evil or benign, theft or not. No threat is made or implied.
Of course verbal contracts are binding. Otherwise, a rep (or tech support) could lie to sell you anything and not be liable. Clearly that's not the case. Verizon is much more honorable than that. But when your account is annotated, it's not even verbal any more. You realize PDA plans have no relevance to this thread, right? Good luck!
That is such a truly believable story especially since you got to watch it according to your post. I'm sure no one will ever doubt that it really happened exactly that way and it's a good lesson for all of us.
Hopefully, no one will try this because we could run up a 5k retroactive bill and be totally screwed. Maybe they're even able to charge people on other networks who give advice about tethering, so be careful !!!
Robrecht is right, verbal contracts are binding, the problem is in proving what was said when by whom. How did PDA's get into this anyway? It's just like digging up the advice given in the accessory description and saying it's a Term Of Service. Do you people read EVERYTHING when you use VZ quotes?
Maybe they're even able to charge people on other networks who give advice about tethering, so be careful !!!
That shouldn't be too hard for the Verizon Special Forces Black Ops Task Force Terminator Death Squad. All they need is one of the Kiosk Kids to paint the target with their special bluetooth laser decoder ring and call in the attack! LOL!
So what's the bottom line? If I use an EV-DO phone to tether and ONLY use the 1x-RTT network - and NEVER use EV-DO - is the consensus that I can do this just like I do now with my LG6000? I want to upgrade to an 8100 and still access the internet on the NA system, but NEVER on EV-DO. And I do not want to have a Vcast plan. Doable with out undo risk??
Bear in mind that there are a few "Verizon Special Forces Black Ops Task Force Terminator Team Members" on these forums who delight in trying to scare others ....
Honestly, I've been tethering for years and have had no billing problems at all.
I also receive polite and useful help on those rare occasions I have to call and ask about it. You'd think if there were something wrong they'd have said so.
BTW Mobile MAY NOT use VCAST. I was talking to Level (Tier 2) support and was told that Mobile web does not USE VCAST ?? Called 3 other CS guys same answer also went on with a CS guy who had a vx8100 and went to www.dslreports/mspeed and the max me or him got was 99k....
We need to check this out.... I'm in North Jersey trust me big vcast area and have never seen mobile web above 90 - 95 k tower is 2 miles away in Closter, NJ (I think)
Verizon doesn't want their customers using EVDO capable handsets to tether, whether they are in an EVDO area or not. Nor do they care if you have VCAST or not. I haven't seen tethering using 1XRTT as a violation of the TOS, but I have seen tethering using your VCAST package as a violation of the TOS.
Honestly, I've been tethering for years and have had no billing problems at all.
I also receive polite and useful help on those rare occasions I have to call and ask about it. You'd think if there were something wrong they'd have said so.
:shrug:
It's all part of the great conspiracy. The Verizon Special Forces Black Ops Task Force Terminator Death Squad is secretly preparing the way of the Imperial Storm Troopers who will be led by the Kiosk Kids with their bluetooth light sabers and special bluetooth laser decoder rings! Soon we will all be enslaved with Princess Leia until we can pay off years of secret data charges. We're still waiting to see how Batman and Robin and the Green Goblin are involved in the secret plan! Tune in next week ... same bat time, same bat channel ...
Originally Posted by IslesFan
You are not allowed to use any VCast phone as a 'modem'.
Called 3 other CS guys same answer also went on with a CS guy who had a vx8100 and went to 
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