I'm not sure about the specific details not having tried it, but the statement seemed about the Storm and tethering in general.
umm....,
"EVDO is categorized as Rev 0, Rev A, etc.
Bluetooth is categorized as v1.0, 1.1, 2.0, etc.
BT v2.0 includes EDR
Blackberry Storm has BT v2.0, which includes EDR, as do a few other phones on the planet
Blackberry Storm also has EVDO Rev. A
BT tethering with Blackberry Storm would be great
Now let's stop being silly and find out whether it is possible or whether it has been disabled on the Blackberry Storm"
Now let's stop being silly and find out whether it is possible or whether it has been disabled on the Blackberry Storm
The Bluetooth DUN profile is discoverable from my laptop.
BUT in order to use it to tether with the Storm, just like other phones, you have to subscribe to VZW's broadband access (BBA) plan. Cost depends on your BB Data plan...
If you have the $29.99 email/web for BB, the BBA plan costs $30.
If you have the $45.99 BIS/BES data plan for the BB, then BBA costs $15.
Yes, thank you. But the question is: have you actually used it to tether? and what speeds?
Um, actually, i thought your question was "whether it has been disabled on the Blackberry Storm" and that is what I responded to. The BT DUN profile is NOT disabled on the Storm.
No. I haven't used it with the Storm. I don't need to tether, so I'm not going to subscribe and test.
In my experience, even with EDR/EDR+, bluetooth speeds are usually slower than USB speeds for data transfers, both file and DUN.
Tethering via USB also has the added advantage of your cell phone battery lasting longer, since it charges via the USB cable.
Also, keep in mind that even if you subscribe to BBA, Verizon's tech support still doesn't support tethering via Bluetooth, so they will likely tell you either 1. its not supported, or 2. it doesn't work (even if it does).
If you really need to know if this phone meets your needs, you'll just have to buy one, and evaluate it yourself.
And in case your wondering, no, there is no "dun" hack for BB's to try and bypass paying the extra $$ for the BBA plan. Tethering has to be provisioned on Verizon's servers for it to work.
For those reading this thread not familure with PDANET, using PDANET is a "trick" to use the SmartPhone as a "proxy" that allows your PC to connect to the internet via your SmartPhone... i.e. tether. Its an attempt to make it seem like the data used is being used by the SmartPhone
Very interesting! I'm interested in the new Samsung Omnia from VZW which I know supports tethering, but I'm not wild about the $15 tethering charge - PDAnet seems like the ideal solution. VZW hasn't caught on yet?
Um, you might want to go back and read the posts around what you quoted..
Um, actually, i thought your question was "whether it has been disabled on the Blackberry Storm" and that is what I responded to. The BT DUN profile is NOT disabled on the Storm.
In my experience, even with EDR/EDR+, bluetooth speeds are usually slower than USB speeds for data transfers, both file and DUN.
If you really need to know if this phone meets your needs, you'll just have to buy one, and evaluate it yourself.
And in case your wondering, no, there is no "dun" hack for BB's to try and bypass paying the extra $$ for the BBA plan. Tethering has to be provisioned on Verizon's servers for it to work.
Since it Verizon's network, there are ways for them to disable BT DUN other than removing the DUN profile from the device's BT stack. It seems your last comment confirms that.
I realize USB is faster. But if an EVDO Rev. A connection is 1 Mbps, and EDR/EDR+ is able to tether at 1 Mbps, then there is no speed advantage to USB tethering. I have no experience with EDR/EDR+ on a EVDO Rev A cellular device; is there something wrong with this reasoning?
I believe Verizon should be upfront when it advertises BT enabled devices specifically for use on their network. It should not be necessary to buy the device to find out that certain BT uses are not permitted. I'm not interested in any hacks. But thanks for your help.
Since it Verizon's network, there are ways for them to disable BT DUN other than removing the DUN profile from the device's BT stack. It seems your last comment confirms that.
No. My last comment was about using PDAnet on a windows mobile phone to bypass subscribing to VZW's BBA plan. That is Totally different. PDAnet turns the Windows Mobile device into a proxy server, or "ICS type" server to "share" its internet connection with the computer.
On the blackberry, if the BT Dun profile is enabled on the phone, they can't disable it now.
On the blackberry, if the BT Dun profile is enabled on the phone, they can't disable it now.
You also said "Tethering has to be provisioned on Verizon's servers for it to work." I assume the second part to that is that you have to pay the fee for VZ to provision tethering on their servers for your account?
I am still left with the inconsistent statement by someone else that tethering is disabled on the storm.
If you are bluetooth tethering, it doesn't matter for the downlink whether or not the phone is rev.A; the BT link caps at around 300-400 kbps effective speed.
Anything posted is my own opinion, not authorized by my past or present employers.
You also said "Tethering has to be provisioned on Verizon's servers for it to work." I assume the second part to that is that you have to pay the fee for VZ to provision tethering on their servers for your account?
There are multiple connection points at issue here...
Computer <--> DEVICE <--> VZW network...
To establish the connect from Device (in your case a BB) to VZW and properly tether with a Blackberry, they must provision your account with the BBA plan. If you don't, then connecting to Verizon's network to tether will NOT work.. and this does not matter if your PC to BB connection is Bluetooth or USB cable. NOTE: there are exceptions of "feature phones" which can be hacked which can not be discussed as it falls under teft of service)
However, even if the device has Bluetooth DUN capabilities, Verizon's tech support will not support a bluetooth connection between device and PC. This is probably due to the number of possible Bluetooth Stacks/Drivers for PC's out there... The MS drivers included in XP SP2 and Vista, Widcomm/Broadcom, Toshiba, Bluesoliel, and others. Each driver set has different features, different ways of doing things, and different ways to configure and use. On the other hand, USB cable is USB cable.
Originally Posted by SD69
I am still left with the inconsistent statement by someone else that tethering is disabled on the storm.
Please re-read CANAM's statement from that thread... saying it isn't "SUPPORTED" it doesn't say its DISABLED.
Again. Isn't supported is pretty accurate as VZW hasn't supported Bluetooth Tethering with any device.
But since the BT DUN profile is enabled on the BB Storm, it should work, but VZW wont help you if you can't get it working.
Yes, I think that's the only way to read it. The confusion was because I had asked in that thread if you can use bluetooth in Storm as a tether to the Internet; not if it was supported.
Further there is a comment in that thread from eddiechi who says he is doing it.
Yes, but that was afterwards. And I also afterwards found and posted there the limitation to the speeds as stated on the website. Hopefully that is helpful to you too.
Okay so I have been back reading this thread and I am confused. We just purchased a Dell Mini 9 netbook and it has bluetooth. I also have a voyager that has bluetooth. My question is, could I use my voyager for internet connectivity? We have the Nationwide Premium Family Share Plan that includes unlimited mobile web and the vcast vpak. Or would we still need the 59.99 plan?
Wendy
Okay so I have been back reading this thread and I am confused. We just purchased a Dell Mini 9 netbook and it has bluetooth. I also have a voyager that has bluetooth. My question is, could I use my voyager for internet connectivity? We have the Nationwide Premium Family Share Plan that includes unlimited mobile web and the vcast vpak. Or would we still need the 59.99 plan?
Wendy
You would still need the $59.99 plan. It's more of an add-on than a separate plan. (Per line)
I am looking to possibly replace my usb modem that went bad with a REV A phone and usb tethering on verizon, but have a couple ?'s
1. Would I lose speed using a rev a phone vs usb modem?
2. What phones are possible to do this with?
thanks
There are presently two handset phones which support Rev A EVDO, which is the same technology as USB Modems and Aircards. One is the LG Dare and the other is the Motorola Adventure V750. You can see this info at this Verizon webpage
I am presently using a V750 to tether and, depending on signal strength and location, am connecting and operating at 700 kbs to 2 mbs speeds (according to toast and other benchmarking sites).
When I first subscribed to BBAC, I was using a V3M (RAZR) and consistently connected at 300 kbs to 600 kbs.
The advantages to tethering with a phone instead of the aircard are saving the taxes/fees for a separate phone line and the ability to turn it on and off at random with no re-connect fee, since it is a feature and not a phone line.
If I needed voice service continuously, I might reconsider since Verizon's service won't do both at the same time. When you are tethered on the BBAC network and receive a phone call, the call will come through and you can answer it normally. However, your internet goes dormant during the call. It does automatically re-link instantly when the call is over though.
To answer your first question more directly...........I don't think you'll lose any speed.
Originally Posted by C DM
and find out whether it is possible or whether it has been disabled on the Blackberry Storm
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