Treo 700W Launch/Info/Reviews..............................

[Sam K]

A friend of mine just lost her Verizon Treo 650 or she may have had her pocket picked and it reminded me about insurance. I can see that Verizon offers insurance on existing PDA/Smartphones like the Treo 650 but will Verizon offer insurance on the Treo 700w and XV6700? I know that Cingular wasn't offering insurance on the RAZR when it first came out so I was wondering if Verizon has a history of doing stuff like that. Also, is the deductible different for PDA/Smartphones?

[nicky terentino]

A friend of mine just lost her Verizon Treo 650 or she may have had her pocket picked and it reminded me about insurance. I can see that Verizon offers insurance on existing PDA/Smartphones like the Treo 650 but will Verizon offer insurance on the Treo 700w and XV6700? I know that Cingular wasn't offering insurance on the RAZR when it first came out so I was wondering if Verizon has a history of doing stuff like that. Also, is the deductible different for PDA/Smartphones?

Do not worry The isurance Company will cover any device that works on VZW's Network.

[kal311]

This has probably been answered somewhere in the 15 pages of this thread so forgive me, but does any one know if the 700 will come with the push email out of the box? And does that push email work as effectively as Blackberry's? The thing I hate the most about the 650 is always having to pull the remaining 5k or whatever from the server. BB's are good about downloading a large portion, if not all, of the email to where you dont have to ping the server to get the rest of it.

[808e46m3]

This has probably been answered somewhere in the 15 pages of this thread so forgive me, but does any one know if the 700 will come with the push email out of the box? And does that push email work as effectively as Blackberry's? The thing I hate the most about the 650 is always having to pull the remaining 5k or whatever from the server. BB's are good about downloading a large portion, if not all, of the email to where you dont have to ping the server to get the rest of it.

No one knows yet if the messaging and security pack will come pre-installed or not. If not, it's likely that VZW will release an update sometime in the next quarter to add it. Even without it, you can set the 700 to check your server as often as you like and pull the entire message instead of just the headers.

[kal311]

No one knows yet if the messaging and security pack will come pre-installed or not. If not, it's likely that VZW will release an update sometime in the next quarter to add it. Even without it, you can set the 700 to check your server as often as you like and pull the entire message instead of just the headers.

I thought that might be the case. I had my settings on the 650 set to pull the max amount of each message, but for some reason it would always pull only part of the message, even if it was only a 1 or 2 sentence email. I also had issues with some emails showing up as gibberish. Ive never had this problem with a BB and would be the only thing holding me back from getting a 700. Maybe this was more of a Palm issue and would be solved with the Windows OS?

[derbytm]

Word has it, from my rep, that the security pack will *not* be available at launch but Verizon will release it as soon as they can...no word on when that might be.

As for the RAM questions and specifically about the initial devices with 32MB RAM...There was a blog entry from one of the Microsoft developers explaining WM5 RAM usage and how they forced all devices to either have physically 32MB RAM or imposed that limitation on a device that had higher RAM to force the developers into utilizing a smaller footprint and bring down the memory requirements for WM5 compared to earlier versions...

Here is his excerpt:
"In my recent "Where's My RAM" entry, I explained why you tend to see a difference between what the WM5 device reports as "Total" RAM and what you know the device actually has. In other words, "Why does my 64M RAM device say it only has 50M?"

In the comments for that entry people asked about the reported "In Use" numbers. "In Use" shows how much of the total RAM the system is using right then. The general consensus among the commenters was that WM5 took three times as much RAM to boot as WM2003 SE.
This was shocking to me, because I know the steps we took to keep that from happening. WM5 is a massive upgrade, with a new OS, new apps, and a ton of new features. We were very worried about bloat, and did a number of things to combat it. We funded a group whose sole job was to analyze performance (including RAM usage) and keep it under control. Those folks did a bunch of work to reduce RAM usage. We also purposely limited the amount of RAM available on the devices our developers used. Almost all of our devices only had 32M of RAM, and the one device that had more, we artificially limited to only use 32M. We didn't want anyone to get lazy."

To see more on this along with other related blog entries on WM5 RAM, check out http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/...17/494177.aspx

Pretty good read...

[primetime6]

I am not a phone expert at all. Right now I have a basic phoen with Verizon but due to changes at work I am going to be on the orad a lot. I need a PDA phone and like the looks of the 700w. Is this phone the bext bang for my buck? I will mainly be using it to (in order) make/receive calls, check and send emails, text message, and use the web. My work uses Windows Outlook for email and my home email is out look as well.........PLEASE HELP Phone Guru's!!!!!!!!!!!

[derbytm]

One more blog entry from MSFT developer regarding RAM/ROM - http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/...19/453784.aspx

Enjoy...

[jrapp]

I thought that might be the case. I had my settings on the 650 set to pull the max amount of each message, but for some reason it would always pull only part of the message, even if it was only a 1 or 2 sentence email.

That's because you had your mail client set to only pull message headers (headers = the first line or two of a message).

[jrapp]

I am not a phone expert at all. Right now I have a basic phoen with Verizon but due to changes at work I am going to be on the orad a lot. I need a PDA phone and like the looks of the 700w. Is this phone the bext bang for my buck? I will mainly be using it to (in order) make/receive calls, check and send emails, text message, and use the web. My work uses Windows Outlook for email and my home email is out look as well.........PLEASE HELP Phone Guru's!!!!!!!!!!!

No one will know until its released. I use outlook for appts, contacts & email. I use wireless sync from VZW to send info from outlook to my phone and vice versa. So far it has worked flawlessly. However, your computer must be on at all times for WS to push info to your phone.

[gex]

Wireless sync from VZW (IMHO) sucks Its the first thing I uninstall on all our devices at work.. saves on memory and storage space by getting rid of it.

Exchange activesync with the MSFP will work very much like the blackberry does.

[Picasosz]

I used to think wireless sync was useless until I learned hot to use it properly. Now I would not be caught without it.

[ThinkALot]

The Treo 700w will be a huge hit for Verizon Wireless. It will be the first big hit of 2006, it will combine the popular design of the Treo with 3G and Windows Mobile 5, and it will create a huge influx of new customers for VZW.

That sucking sound you hear will be the sound of customers migrating to Verizon to enjoy a 3G WM5 Treo.

[kal311]

Will there be any sort of push email ability with pop mail or only through MS exchange?

[SalvatoreLucian]

Wireless sync from VZW (IMHO) sucks Its the first thing I uninstall on all our devices at work.. saves on memory and storage space by getting rid of it.

Exchange activesync with the MSFP will work very much like the blackberry does.

"Is the Exchage activesync w/ MSFP" That you are talking about the "Push" element that will not come preinstalled to the 700w that everyone is talking about??? If so, or otherwise, what exactly is it?

Sorry if this is a previously answered Q.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Mashie]

"Is the Exchage activesync w/ MSFP" That you are talking about the "Push" element that will not come preinstalled to the 700w that everyone is talking about??? If so, or otherwise, what exactly is it?

Sorry if this is a previously answered Q.

Thanks for the clarification.

Yes the MSFP which is due to be released by Microsoft to the carriers and OEMs will bring true "push" e-mail to WM5 devices as long as they are connecting to an Exchange 2003 server with SP2.

For those of you that do not have access to an Exchange 2003 server you can subscribe to a hosted Exchange account where you can store all of your contacts, calendar and e-mail which will then "push" to the device.

One of the best uses for this solution is if you have to do a hard reset on your phone. You can put in the server information of your Hosted Exchange account and all of yoru contacts/calendar entries are automatically downloaded to the phone.

[derbytm]

"Is the Exchage activesync w/ MSFP" That you are talking about the "Push" element that will not come preinstalled to the 700w that everyone is talking about??? If so, or otherwise, what exactly is it?

Exchange ActiveSync is available now but is only pull (manual sync or AUTD (Always up to date via SMS messages which is a psuedo push)). MSFP adds the ability to push email to your device much like a Blackberry if you have Exchange Server 2003 with SP2.

[808e46m3]

Will there be any sort of push email ability with pop mail or only through MS exchange?

Push only works with an Exchange server. If you have a pop mail account (gmail, roadrunner, DSL, etc) you will need to subscribe (purchase) service from an exchange server provider that has exchange 2003 SP2 for you to get push email from your pop account (by forwarding all of your pop mail to the exchange server, which would then push it to the Treo).

[Picasosz]

Its Amazing to me that everyone is so infatuated with Push e-mail when most people's regular computers as for the most part all pull e-mail. whooda thunk it?

[SalvatoreLucian]

Where does the VZW Wireless Sync stand in all of this? I was under the impression that this was "push" or close to it...w/ the variable that your computer must be left on???

[Picasosz]

It is pull e-mail to your device but it pushes it to the VZW server afaik

[asoroudi]

Does anyone have any concrete info on whether or not MSFT will be pre-installed on the Treo 700w?
It's WM5 + AKU 2 .

I don't understand why Verizon , nor Palm, nor MS will release this info. All corportate users with Exchange 2003 + SP2 that are deciding on a path for their firm on remote access to email are waiting on this info to make an educated decision between WM5 devices & blackberry devices.

Thx in advance

[gex]

Where does the VZW Wireless Sync stand in all of this? I was under the impression that this was "push" or close to it...w/ the variable that your computer must be left on???

Thats one of two ways to use VZW Wireless Sync.. you can also use it without your computer being on...and set it up to poll your pop3 email accounts on a set interval as little as 5 min. It then pushes it to your device right away. If only there was a way to fwd your pop email to the VZW server based wireless sync it would work a bit better but alas there is not.

Do yourself a favor and uninstall VZW wireless sync as soon as you get your device... trust me ive used it quite a bit and it is kludgy..works but not as well as an Exchange solution with MSFP. I even prefer the old SMS AUTD method (if not for the huge SMS bills) over VZW Wireless Sync.

It is still unknown (at least no one is talking) if it will be part of the initial realease of the 700w.

[kupe]

The one good thing I can say about Wireless Sync is it's better than nothing. For those folks without MS Exchange Server access, VZW Sync is included in the price.

[derbytm]

I can confirm this...the MSFP has not been released by Microsoft yet but VZW will release an update for it as soon as it is available. This will probably be after VZW goes through a testing phase as well on the released bits. No ETA that I know of although it is slated for Q1.

I got this from my VZW rep and also know through other channels that it has not been released yet...hopefully soon!

[nicky terentino]

Push only works with an Exchange server. If you have a pop mail account (gmail, roadrunner, DSL, etc) you will need to subscribe (purchase) service from an exchange server provider that has exchange 2003 SP2 for you to get push email from your pop account (by forwarding all of your pop mail to the exchange server, which would then push it to the Treo).

Where can I purchase(Subscribe) service from an exchange server providerthat has exchange 2003 sp2

[derbytm]

Here's one...
http://www.asp-one.com/

[Gill]

I can confirm this...the MSFP has not been released by Microsoft yet but VZW will release an update for it as soon as it is available. This will probably be after VZW goes through a testing phase as well on the released bits. No ETA that I know of although it is slated for Q1.

I got this from my VZW rep and also know through other channels that it has not been released yet...hopefully soon!

I believe MSFP (release AKU 2.0) has been released by Microsoft and is currently in carrier labs.

Physical evidence I have seen is the release of a WM 5.0 device with AKU 2.0 in Taiwan (posted by Jason Langridge, Microsoft Mobility Business Manager on his website) http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/archi...19/505653.aspx

Palm was very eager to release the 700w before year end but from what I understand the impediments to this were that VZW wanted to fully test AKU 2.0 and WM 5.0 against Verizon Wireless software offered to the subscriber (i.e. V-CAST and other VZW EV-DO software had to mesh well with each other).

Lastly, I have spoken to a lab tester at Cingular and he claims that they are testing a WM 5.0 Treo (for a future release post VZW exclusivity). His biggest complaint when I spoke to him (about a month ago) was that WM 5.0 is the most advanced and complex OS that Cingular has ever encountered. Melding Windows in with the carrier's network and UMTS environment is much more involved due to the robustness of the OS.

[Mashie]

Where can I purchase(Subscribe) service from an exchange server providerthat has exchange 2003 sp2

Search over in the Pocket PC forum, it has been discussed at length with people providing reviews of Hosted Exchange providers.

[dbdynsty25]

Its Amazing to me that everyone is so infatuated with Push e-mail when most people's regular computers as for the most part all pull e-mail. whooda thunk it?

I've been thinking the same thing. I guess the facination stems from the seamlessness of the Blackberry Enterprise Servers. If that technology never had caught on, this wouldn't be an issue. We'd just have software that polls our pop servers at specified intervals.