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Opera Mini 4.1

http://www.operamini.com/beta


I have been using it, and I like it. Also, it doesn't ask for permissions everytime I use it.
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I use it and like it also but it still asks for permission the first time. I think the restriction is built-in with the phone OS.
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I use it and like it also but it still asks for permission the first time. I think the restriction is built-in with the phone OS.


What java emulator are you using? I have been using it all day and it asked the first time, with an option to never ask again.

I would upgrade to something newer.
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Trying it on my Touch and I get no keyboard to pop up nor any way to enter text at all. What am I doing wrong? Trying mini for the tenth time (every new version it seems) and already annoyed in the first two minutes...
I really want to like this but I keep striking out.
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Trying it on my Touch and I get no keyboard to pop up nor any way to enter text at all. What am I doing wrong? Trying mini for the tenth time (every new version it seems) and already annoyed in the first two minutes...
I really want to like this but I keep striking out.
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menu->tools->settings then uncheck Direct address input will allow the on screen keyboard to work.
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which version should i use with my htc touch cruise?
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menu->tools->settings then uncheck Direct address input will allow the on screen keyboard to work.

Thanks maevro, you da man. Instantly, my first thought is it's a lot faster than PIE. I'll give it an objective try.
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It is fast but it proxy-based. The compression and rendering is done on Opera Servers. If security is in issue for you then I'd recommend staying with PIE or, better yet, get Opera Mobile for $24.
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Nice. But I have gotten spoiled by the "full" browsers like Opera and Netfront 3.5. I, along with the whole WM owner population is waiting eagerly for Opera 9.5.
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Nice. But I have gotten spoiled by the "full" browsers like Opera and Netfront 3.5. I, along with the whole WM owner population is waiting eagerly for Opera 9.5.


How long are we going to be waiting for 9.5 though?
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How long are we going to be waiting for 9.5 though?


This summer.
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So far I'm still on board. Unequivocally faster than PIE...nice! And I've always liked the turbo scrolling. I thought I remember a way in previous versions to import my PIE favorites into Operamini. Is there an easy way other than the Opera sync thingy?

Also, is there a way to launch the browser directly instead of the emulator?
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And I've always liked the turbo scrolling.


Is there a setting for that? For example it doesn't finger-flick scroll as nice as PIE or even NetFront.

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Also, is there a way to launch the browser directly instead of the emulator?


Yes. Create a shortcut of any application. Then go into the properties of the new shortcut. Change the target to : "\Windows\jbed.exe" -run s0_

The s0_ part may be different for you if you have multiple java apps installed in Jbed. If s0 doesn't work for you, then try increasing the number until you get Opera Mini.

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Guys and gals, here's my review:

Opera Mini 4.1: FULL multiplatform tutorial & review

I don’t need to introduce Opera Mini for any serious mobile device user – it’s been one of the best browsers ever since the release of version 4.0 with all its goodies like favorite synchronization and full layout mode, the latter being excellent on (W)VGA Pocket PC’s and high-resolution Symbian devices like the Nokia E90. Note that I’ve written a review & full comparison to other browsers HERE – please DO read it if you don’t know what Opera Mini is or how it compares to other browsers, in which cases you might want to prefer it to native, fully-fledged browsers like Opera Mobile. Also, make sure you read my two Web Browsing Bibles, linked from the OM4 article, for additional info & comparisons. Finally, note that the linked article only discusses version 4.0; 4.1 is even better and more featureful.

The just-released 4.1 beta takes things even further and implements a lot of long asked-for functionalities. It’s REALLY worth upgrading; note that it can coexist with older versions (including 4.0) on the same handset. That is, if you, for some reason, find it useless, you can easily switch back to the older version without having to reinstall / reconfigure anything.

1.1 Availability; which version to go for?

Navigate to http://mini.opera.com/beta either with your phone’s WAP browser or, if you have Opera on your desktop, with it:


(mobile browser)

(Opera on the desktop)

and select any of the upper three links. On the next screen,



just press the left softkey (Continue); then, unless you want to put it in a self-created category, just click OK while it’s on root:



On the following dialog,



just press OK; do the same on the one that follows:



The file will be compiled and you can start it right away by answering Yes on the final screen:



After this, everything is done in the already-known way: accepting the license, pressing buttons for generating a pseudo-random sentence etc.

Note that the 4.1 beta page linked from operamini.com, http://www.operamini.com/beta/, doesn’t contain the signed versions, only the unsigned ones. Therefore, if you only have Mozilla Firefox or Internet Explorer on your desktop, make sure you download the file from inside your Web browser on your handheld. The only exception is BlackBerry, where there isn’t a separate version on the only-handheld or desktop Opera page; then, you can safely download the ZIP file from http://www.operamini.com/beta/ with any desktop browser and use the BB Desktop Manager to quickly install it on your BlackBerry.

If you have a Windows Mobile device with Jbed 3.1, any of the signed versions will do. Note that some people state you need to go for the all-certificate version; that’s not true with Jbed 3.1. Make sure you DO download a signed version and not the unsigned one so that you can easily (without any hacking) can get rid of the security prompts.

Note that, should you still not have Jbed 3.1, read the second section of THIS for more info & the download links.

1.2 What’s new?

1.2.1 Custom text input field

With the new URL input field, address autocompletion works just great:



Note that

1, unlike with Opera Mobile 9.5 (and just like any other browser, including pre-9.5 versions of Opera Mobile), the titles of these pages aren’t displayed, only the URL’s

2, copy / paste doesn’t work. If you do need it (and you do have a compatible JVM – it’s only the non-recommended TAO that isn’t), you’ll need to switch to the regular, native JVM URL editor by pressing Delete (right softkey, shouldn’t you have a device with a built-in hardware back key like MS Smartphones) once and, then, go down to highlight "Insert Symbol":



Then, just press Action on it to get into the traditional URL input field, with the traditional menus.

3, textual input may be problematic on keyboards with combined numeric and alphabetical keys; for example, on the HTC Vox. In there, the numeric keys will always be considered as keypad numeric buttons; that is, they’ll input a for 1, d for button 2 etc. However, as they’re treated EXACTLY the same way as keypad buttons, you can still input any character or (with long-pressing) number with them. You’ll need to know the latter for numeric input with devices that have a separate numeric row (like the HTC Universal).

4, the Input Address field being new also results in the old system-level browser invocation script not working any more. To fix this,
  • either switch off the new direct input by just unticking the, by default, enabled "Direct address input" checkbox in Tools / Settings:



  • or, alternatively, go for a modification of the current script version available HERE. (Incidentally, note that, now, there’s a full C++ implementation of the invocation script HERE. It’s still not compatible with 4.1 unless you untick "Direct address input" as explained above.)

1.2.2 Signing

First in Opera Mini’s lifetime, it comes signed. What does this mean? When deployed under a capable, compatible JVM (for example, Jbed 3.1), it’ll, upon trying to access the Net / the local file system for saving pages / downloading / uploading files, it’ll prompt you for permission:


(reading the file system)


(writing the file system)

In there, you’ll notice a (compared to the unsigned case) new "always, don’t ask again" menu item (I’ve highlighted it in the following screenshot):



Make sure you do select this before pressing OK. This will make sure you won’t ever need to answer this question any more.

Upon trying to saving pages, it even prompts you to switch to the signed version, should you still have a non-signed one:



The link indeed takes you to a tutorial:







(as can clearly be seen, there is not a single word on Windows Mobile. Note that the tutorial is also directly available HERE)

1.2.3 Page Saving

The new page saving feature allows for saving the current page, along with all its resources (images), to a file. The file is in the native (condensed HTML in textual mode + JPEG images) format of Opera Mini currently not readable by other applications. Should you still need some of the contents for copy/paste operations, you can still directly copy from the file with a text viewer. This also means this also allows for some kind of rudimentary copy/paste functionality if you use an external file viewer like that of Resco File Explorer. Then, based on the (latest) timestamp of the saved page (the saved pages have cryptic filenames; however, you can easily recognize them based both of their timestamp in the file system and their header, which contains the title of the page), you view it and look for the info you wanted to copy to clipboard (and, from there, to, say, Notes or Word Mobile). As you can see, it’s in no way so easy than, say, copying and straightforward than copying the full / the visible textual contents of the page into a text input field, where a user could already highlight anything and copy to the clipboard (unless she uses TAO Intent), though. Hope the Opera coders also implement this, otherwise, very simple-to-code feature.

Note that the page saving target dialog is only displayed once (upon the first page saving attempt) and is pretty much far away from being pretty and/or intuitional (and, of course, it has missing functionality present in, say, the standard OS file save dialog like creating subdirectories) but it still does the job. Just select the directory you’d like to save your pages to. Again, remember this can’t be changed later so select a directory with sufficiently large free storage.

First, you’ll need to select the storage type you’d like to save your pages to. In the following screenshot, I’ve selected Storage Card:



After pressing Action, you’ll be shown the directories in there. You can select any of them (and, then, iteratively, any of its subdirectories etc.). Just press Select (left softkey) on the directory you’d like to save your stuff in. For example, in the following screenshot, I’ve stayed on Storage Card when pressing the key; this means it’ll store the pages in the root of the card:



(note that, as the storage card roots can only have up to 128 files, this isn’t the best thing to do unless you’re absolutely sure you only want to save some pages.)

Finally, you’ll be prompted a "Page saved." message:



Get rid of it with the Action button.

After this, all the saved pages will be listed in Tools / Saved Pages (and the latest three on the startpage):



A VGA screenshot with more than one saved page:




1.2.4 Finding text in pages

Tools / Find in page implements something I’ve been asking for years: in-page text search. It not only iterates over all the occurrences of the searched-for word (see the "Next" left softkey), but also conveniently highlights all the occurrences. In the following screenshot, you can see the results of searching for the word "Opera" in the Opera Mini forums:



1.2.5 In-app file up/download

A lot of users have been asking the Opera folks for allowing for in-browser download and, even more importantly, upload.

1.2.5.1 Download

In-browser downloading, for Windows Mobile users, isn’t that important. It’s probably mostly MS Smartphone users that will find this useful because, as has also been explained in my MS Smartphone Web Browsing Bible (see section 1.1.1 Fixing the binary file download problem), the built-in Internet Explorer Mobile only downloads certain types of files. For Symbian users with, say, a Nokia N95 with a pre-20 firmware version, it’s more so because Symbian often killed Opera Mini when loading up Nokia Web for handling the download. This isn’t an issue with the new firmware version any more, of course – neither is with N95 8GB, N95-3, N82 or the soon-to-come, new, DVB-H enabled N-series models.)

Note that, while file system access is supported in the latest and most recommended Jbed 3.1, this isn’t necessarily the case with other MIDlet Managers. Therefore, you’re strongly recommended to upgrade to Jbed 3.1.

The new in-Opera download looks like this:



If you select Save As, you’ll be presented the usual file selector; here, I instruct it to save the contents on the storage card:



Then, the download will start:



If, instead of Save As, you select Open:



you’ll be taken to IE:



which downloads the file:



Unfortunately, if you go for in-process download, you can’t do anything else during downloading – as is the case with regular page loading. That is, you end up staring at the download screen. If you absolutely hate this and/or the download takes too much time (for example, during fetching a looooooong MP3), go for downloading within Internet Explorer Mobile and switching back to Opera Mini for browsing. You can safely do this: IEM will just download the file in the background without problems. (Unless, of course, you haven’t registered the file type with the system. Then, you’ll need to stick strictly with the built-in downloader of OM4.1.)

1.2.5.2 Upload

With Jukka "Yucca" Korpela’s excellent article & tester suite File input (or "upload") in HTML forms:



Then, the usual Opera file handler will be shown (not that of the OS). Let’s upload some text file:





and the results are as expected:



(note that it the (later?) 4.0 series it is rendered as can be seen in HERE but, of course, the "Choose" file chooser couldn’t be activated)

In this regard, Opera Mini (along with the commercial (!) Opera Mobile and [the, currently, severely crippled Technical Preview] NetFront) is the only browser to support file upload on the MS Smartphone platform. Let me point out that the built-in Internet Explorer Mobile (still) doesn’t support upload.

2. What’s still missing / problematic?

Now, in addition to direct copy/paste of textual contents, I only miss navigating (switching back) to any already-downloaded page while loading a new one. You can only navigate on the current page while fetching a new page but can’t use, say, #5 to quickly bring up the list of currently open pages and quickly switch to another page. There isn’t a "download page in background" feature either, which would be able for allowing this. This can be a nuisance, particularly on inherently sloooooooooow platforms like the current crop of BlackBerries.

Also, on Pocket PC devices with a built-in keyboard could benefit from some similar keyboard layout than on BlackBerries. On the latter, you can use the (wide and easy-to-reach) Space button to scroll a page down. I wish you could do the same on Windows Mobile devices. (In there, you still must use the "8" button, which is pretty much out of reach in two-hand, "bedtime" operation.)

The problem of "flashing", non-displayed pictures, particularly with pages heavily loaded with them, is still present.

Finally, the lack of italic support is (still) a big pain in the back. I don’t understand why the Opera folks don’t implement this (must be related to the additional storage the custom, smallest character set would require with added italic support, I don’t know – if that’s the problem, at least non-smallest characters should have this support) – after all, ALL major KVM’s do support rendering text in italics. (See my related tests in my MIDlet Bible.)

3. BlackBerry

The BlackBerry version doesn’t support signed versions; that is, as has already been pointed out, you MUST go with the unsigned one. I haven’t encountered any problems with it; page saving / loading, the new address autocomplete etc. all worked just great. I haven’t encountered the common bug with all OM 4.0 versions: that is, the BlackBerry (at least my T-Mo branded 8800) completely locking up upon loading pages. However, this doesn’t mean these bugs have been fixed: I "only" played with the new version on my BB for two or three hours and the aforementioned bug only turns up, say, once a day or two days, assuming actively using OM for at least 2-3 hours a day.

4. Symbian

I’ve also (quickly) tested the new (unsigned) version on my Nokia N95 v20. I haven’t really run into problems so far; neither have my fellow N95 users in the Opera Mini forum. I’ll later report on whether Opera Mini 4.1 still exhibits the well-known, but, fortunately, pretty rare problem of completely locking up the handset, which, as with the BlackBerry, can only be fixed by removing and reinserting the battery.
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Is there a setting for that? For example it doesn't finger-flick scroll as nice as PIE or even NetFront.



Yes. Create a shortcut of any application. Then go into the properties of the new shortcut. Change the target to : "\Windows\jbed.exe" -run s0_

The s0_ part may be different for you if you have multiple java apps installed in Jbed. If s0 doesn't work for you, then try increasing the number until you get Opera Mini.

HTH!

Thanks JN,
As for the scrolling, no setting as far as I can tell. What I'm referring to is the use of the d-pad (down for link scrolling and right for very fast scrolling). I know this is not a new feature but it's definitely one I've always liked in Opera and have been waiting for in PIE+wm6. I just usually uninstall Operamini within an hour after each try so I forget about the scroll quality. I do miss the flick scrolling ability but the turbo is faster and that's ultimately what I'm after. This version is still sticking with me but not for any of the enhancements listed. It's due to the 50% speed increase claimed by Opera. No smoke being blown about this I believe and it's going to keep me at it for another day at least.

I still need to find a way to get my favorites imported but I'm not signing up for 'sync'...
I think I'm confusing mini with full version.
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