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What Happens to a Lost or Stolen HSPA Phone With SIM Card?

As many of us from Bell or Telus who are not used to SIM cards this question is very important.

If you were to lose or have stolen your HSPA phone with a SIM card in it what happens to the phone if someone finds it?

Can someone pop in their own SIM card in your lost or stolen phone?

Can you cancel your SIM card?

Can Bell block access to your lost or stolen phone through the ESN so that no one can use it rendering it useless? (blacklist)
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You call your provider and have them place a lost/stolen block on your phone which makes the simcard useless.

And if Bell and Telus is like Rogers they won't blacklist your phone so anyone can pop a simcard into it and use it.

But who knows if Belus will be doing blacklists. I can't see it because thats more profit for them because that stolen phone could be a whole new customer.
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Pretty much that if someone finds your phone and you didnt call up and report it, they can use your account and rack up your bill.
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theyll pop your sim out, toss it away and keep your phone and use it on there Bell plan or unlock it and use it with whoever they want.
There is no way of blacklisting IMEIs.

Someones lost HSPA phone is anothers brand new phone.
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There are IMEI blacklists databases which providers all over the world share. the USA and Canada just choose not to.

Rogers will only blacklist a phone if that phone is stolen from a Rogers Store.
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just buy a new sim card and/or phone and call bellus and ask them to block the old sim, once its blocked no one can use your line and you will prevent further charges on your line from someone using your phone unathorized.
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If you call in and report your line lost/stolen it is placed into temporary suspension until you go purchase a new SIMCARD.

Note how the procedure is different from CDMA where monthly charges still apply when lost. This is because SIMCARDs cannot be dummied.

There is no limit to how long you keep the line suspended for. Theoretically you could leave it like that until contract expiry.

Bell will place lost/stolen IMEIs into the negative file, but it won't be of much use anymore as people don't need to register an IMEI to use the device. It'll only stop the stupidest of thiefs from taking the device into Bell World and try to process a new activation.

Throwing their own SIM into the device will work.
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There is no limit to how long you keep the line suspended for. Theoretically you could leave it like that until contract expiry.


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If you call in and report your line lost/stolen it is placed into temporary suspension until you go purchase a new SIMCARD.

Note how the procedure is different from CDMA where monthly charges still apply when lost. This is because SIMCARDs cannot be dummied.

There is no limit to how long you keep the line suspended for. Theoretically you could leave it like that until contract expiry.

Bell will place lost/stolen IMEIs into the negative file, but it won't be of much use anymore as people don't need to register an IMEI to use the device. It'll only stop the stupidest of thiefs from taking the device into Bell World and try to process a new activation.

Throwing their own SIM into the device will work.


I can't see them suspending a line just for a lost sim when you can just turn off the simcard with a click of a mouse. And I would assume if you do suspend it also stops your contract until you resume.
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I can't see them suspending a line just for a lost sim when you can just turn off the simcard with a click of a mouse. And I would assume if you do suspend it also stops your contract until you resume.

See MacD's post above.
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I can't see them suspending a line just for a lost sim when you can just turn off the simcard with a click of a mouse. And I would assume if you do suspend it also stops your contract until you resume.

SIMs cannot be deactivated in Bell's billing system unless replaced with another functional SIM or a CDMA device, thus the suspension.

And no, it doesn't stop your contract.
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There is no limit to how long you keep the line suspended for. Theoretically you could leave it like that until contract expiry.


So, in THEORY, you could sign for 3 years and "lose" your phone 1 month into it and "not have enough money for a new phone" for 35 months and not pay $400 to cancel your contract?

Then what happens at the end of the 36 months? You're just free to go now?
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So, in THEORY, you could sign for 3 years and "lose" your phone 1 month into it and "not have enough money for a new phone" for 35 months and not pay $400 to cancel your contract?

Then what happens at the end of the 36 months? You're just free to go now?

In theory. Don't expect a CSR to tell you that though.
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In theory. Don't expect a CSR to tell you that though.


EXCELLENT. to you my friend!

Now would you happen to know if this same rule applies to Telus? Or just Bell? Or is this like a GSM/HSPA provider rule with SIM cards?
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