I give up on trying to tell anyone that the T610 is not the RF dog that everyone makes it out to be and it really bugs me that 90% of the people that dog on the T610 will recommend the 3650 which I have photographically proven does not do as good at the T610.

I've think I've resolved myself to the benifit of having a more rare phone by having SE since everyone seems to think they suck. They can run around with their Nokia phones that creak and pop when you put pressure on them.

If anyone wants to know about this proof I talk of, check out this thread:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...threadid=251232

In the future, whenever I feel that people are walking with the sheep because they actually believe that the 3650 get's better RF than the T610, I'm just gonna post a link to the above thread.

How someone can look at that and still claim that the 3650 is better I do not know.

The only thing I can figure for the bad rep on the T610 is that either it's because SE did make a couple shabby phones and the brand name is killing the 610 or the early production T610's did have bad RF and SE fixed it along the way, of course most people can't believe that a company can make a good and a bad product.....they have to either make all good or all bad products and that can never change.

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Nokia's are more like Kid phones, if you want something more enhanced and sophisticated, then you go elsewhere, ie SE.
SE bashers do it cause they are trying hard to convince themselves that their phone is better when it isnt.(compared to new 61x series)

yea i was a firm beleiver in 3650 rf good, t610 rf bad. but i now see it can be the other way around. i prolly dealt with earlier production ones cuz the 3 t610's i placed calls on paled in comparison to my 3650.

i love SE. i don't like nokia all that much. the thing that keeps me is this: 3650 has expandable memory, a MUCH better camera (hard to deny that), and symbian. that's it. rf as you proved is the same or better. the speaker is actually louder on the t610. the t610 has MUCH better bluetooth implementation. it is smaller, sexier, and better built. my 3650 is a big, fat, ugly-@ss brick with a demented keypad, i know that!

BUT it does have an MMC port, a great camera for a cell phone which i appreciate as i unfortunately have no real digicam. symbian is also the greatest thing ever and i can't go back to a "regular" phone after using it. and yea i know p800 and p900 have this too plus more, but they are so expensive, and so is their memory stick media. plus p800's rf and camera are pretty bad compared to 3650.
when people were talking about a replacement to the great t68i, i expected mp3 player, great camera, expandable memory, and more powerful apps than just jave. none of which happened. so that is why i'm stuck with this 3650. its as close as i can get to a p series SE. i can't wait to ditch it. i wish sonyericsson had decided to produce something like the siemens sx1 or sendo x (which will most probably replace my 3650 when it is released) because i would rather buy it from them than sendo or siemens, but they haven't.

but as far as rf, definitely i am in full agreement with you.

Now my debate come down to RF, that's where my frustrations are with people. I agree, there are some definate advantages to having the 3650 but for me, those extra features is what I have a PPC for except when it comes to the camera, but I have a 2.1 MP Sony Digicam for that.

It always bothered me having my 3650 and wondering when I was going to get the "fading NOKIA" problem from installing the wrong program or something. Some people don't worry about that, and some people never do have that problem, but it was always in the back of my head so my solution will be...

Have my SE phone in my pocket....reliable phone with great RF. Have my iPaq 2215 in my hand with all the features of Pocket PC. When I want to hit the web, just BT over to the SE and go at it....the Pocket PC can lock and need hard resets all it wants....I still have my phone in my pocket. That's very important to me because that's my only phone, no land line.

ok i see what you mean. i agree, if i had an ipaq and a real digicam, i'd prolly have a t610 or z600 as well. but as it stands....i can't afford all that so i depend on PDA style phones.

as for incompatibilities i am VERY pleasantly surprised by the 3650 for the few number of lockups and crashes i've had. my 3650 is the biggest hoe there is, i've put almost every symbian app ever released on it and *only* had to format twice. to me, that is damn impressive.

Once you have a 65k screen, 4096 is s&it! The display is crap. It is soo big that 65k tft/tfd is the only answer. My t610 had good rf, a little less than 3650, but not much. My Z600 spanks my 3650 in Rf. SE , T61X or Z600 build quality is far far superior to Nokia, IMO. I had many Nokias, no more. I have had a T68m,T68i T610 Now Z600. I have seen the light. Nokia isnt all that!

What about those of us that own both? Am I a Sony Ericsson "basher" because I don't care either way?

Take what you want. That's what is nice about people that make handsets.

Though I can't agree that the T610 is anything to brag about in terms of reception. The equally scientific study I've done shows an R1L T610 getting trounced by a 6600 and 6310i.

It's such a silly metric to base "bars" on two totally different phones, but since it was good enough for my friend, it'll be good enough for me. Give me a few.

Well obviously you havent actually seen the 3650's screen. And your just basing what you said on the facts (65K vs 4k). I love my t616, but the screen of the 3650 was twice as better (i used to have it)despite the fewer colors

Difference between TFT and STN screens. The T610 screen is 65k but STN, 3650 4096 colours but TFT. Both suck IMO. Go have a look at a 65k TFT screen in a Panasonic GD88/X70 and see the difference for yourself.

I normally wouldn't bother but I get really agitated when people don't do their own research.

The original poster did a swell job. I don't know what the circumstances were, but i took my T-Mobile SIM cards (one inactive) and put one in my 6600 and one in my T610 running R1L.

6600 is running the same firmware as all the other 6600's out there

I put them in a stationary area in my dining room, on the floor.

The T610 is "useable" but I don't know if I'd depend on it. The 6600, as you can see, shows full service. I doubt that either of them is pulling my leg, and even though you can't use "bars" of service as a metric on ONE handset let alone two DIFFERENT handsets, I've found in my daily usage that the T610 does not get nearly the same "firm grip" on a tower that the Nokia's do.

Anyway. Here's my picture. It's hard to photograph these displays -- they display a ot of waves. I jacked the ISO to 400 and used a lamp, but this is as good as it gets, I'm afraid.

what kind of scientific study did you conduct?

I said equally scientific. I never said it was in a laboratory.

That's the point. We're all just a bunch of *******s with mobile phones and money burning holes in our pockets.

These types of "contests" are useless. He says it sucks, I say it doesn't.

I told you in my post what my "scientific" study was. I took two phones, put in two T-Mobile SIM cards, and took a picture.

Just like the other bozo did.

We're all bozos. This isn't a real test. This means nothing, as you can see. If it WAS an adequate test wouldn't the results be similar?

Why does my 6600 have full service and my T610 almost have none at all? Completely contrary to the other person's experience.

We both have pictures. Which is the right one?

Answer: Neither.

but this bozo keeps saying that the early models did suck and that SE must have fixed it along the way and that is why I started the thread about fw and build dates in comparison to rf experience

also I did not corpare bars. I compared the fact that one phone was unable to find any signal at all while the other was able to find a Signal and place a call so it was not a comparison of bars.

Well that I find quite odd. I could make my T610 lose signal completely if I nudged it an inch to the right, but chose to show it with "one bar" versus the full service on the 6600.

I purchased my T610, say, 4 months ago. It is running the R1L firmware as I posted. You said you were running with T-Mobile firmware. I wonder if they changed the production and actually fixed their radio.

I don't imagine they'd do that without some sort of fanfare, other than the fact that if they did that, what about all the handsets out there that can't hack it, such as mine?

I don't have the answers or I would just post it. Ii2 like to figure it out as much as the next guy