lol.. just came to post some news i heard from inside.. and that theyre preparing for a public launch of the Pre on friday/saturday of July 31/Aug1. but a lot of the time they keep referring to August 1 as the official launch date. Or at least what theyre preparing for unless some kind of delays occur

I find it so odd that for the Pre they advertise for like 6 months prior to the release, and for the BB Tour, literally no advertising until the week prior to it's launch (stores received their in-store advertising the week / couple days before the product came out).

i guess i will take this with a grain of salt until that day, since we keep hearing theses rumors..

should I get the Tour instead of the Pre?

..I don't like this waiting game.. I understand Palm has to manufacture the devices etc, but that does not mean Bell should advertise it months in advance and leave "coming soon" up for the longest time. I'm getting so tired of bell's shinanigans.

p.s. anyone know how to get my SAF back to $6.95 (if possible)..When i signed my student contract they upped it to $8.95

honestly, i'm just putting up what i heard from inside. i'd hate to be posting any BS. of course, even from hearing it directly from bell that theyre preparing marketing materials and other stuff for aug1 launch, i still wouldnt be surprised if they somehow get delayed.

The only way to answer this is to try both. hard to do at this point, but honestly, its the only way you'll know what you'll like more.

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I had my mind set on a Pre since about a month ago. I read a lot about it and it seemed like a really promising device. The WebOS concept seems really cool and it's got tons of potential.

After reading some reviews and user impressions from Sprint I was a little disappointed and after realizing how unreliable the hardware is I started having serious doubts. For people to have to go through 4-6 units to get a good one and for so many hardware problems to occur in the first week is absurd. There is no way that phone would last more than a few months before falling apart.

I didn't mind all of the software issues because this is a first release and Palm is quick to release fixes and updates so far on WebOS. I think WebOS has a bright future and will be amazing in 6 months to a year. I will hold out until Palm releases a new phone with WebOS to make the leap.

For now I broke down and got a BlackBerry Tour and am loving it so far.

Yeah as I said before, I think the handset is junk. This is a big problem for Palm as they need this device to save them. In the States, since they only have two year contracts maybe your device can survive for a year and half, but not 2 and a half like in Canada.

Well planned obsolecense isn't exactly a trade secret- you design something to only work for so long, and then fall apart. Of course, depending on build quality, some things last longer than others. A big reason I returned the storm was that I figured it would break after a year. One button to rule them all? Gimme a break!

The only reason I haven't bought an iphone yet is the internal battery. What happens when it dies, and how many of your firstborn kids must you sacrifice to jobs to get a new bat? Lol.

Iwhenever you get something "close" to what you want, but not exactly what you want, you usually regret it. Having said that, if I get an iphone tonight and they launch pre tomorrow, I will freak!

hmmm... Other than batteries, which do have a finite, measurable charge count, I don't think any of the phones I've ever bought became "broken" over time. My old Microtac still works (at least it did when the analog network was still running)... I still have nearly every cellphone I ever bought kicking around and most of the time, if they were duds, they were duds from the beginning...
Two I can think of are 1) The first Digital, dual-band Startac (7867w) on Bell and 2) The Audiovox 8600... Both those phones were absolute crap right out the gate...

I remember bell sending me to Futuretel a half-dozen times to try new Flex and software versions on the 7867w until I was eligible to upgrade and went for the 8767 (OLED Trimode)... and that was the end of it... they quietly retired that handset very quickly...

Everything else still works... the 7867w was disassembled for parts on another phone...but the 8767 Timeport still works really well...as does the Nokia, The old blackberry etc...Even my GSM Motorola 120x still works...really well actually!

My dads Samsung a520 (I think, it's the black and white model with the Panda screensaver) still works - but it was a piece of junk from the get-go...

So I don't know what you're doing to your handsets, but I certainly don't see the same thing you see with this so-called "planned obsolescence"...

I wrote a big post, and then the blackberry died and I lost it lol. I am too lazy to re-type, but suffice it to say that products are indeed designed to fail.

I have the Audiovox 8600 which was actually fine for a year, and then started doing random stuff like deleting contacts / changing numbers, turning itself on and off, etc.

Had a samsung that was awesome when I got it, but it basically started acting weird after a year and a half. Maybe it was all in my head, and I just wanted a new phone.

To round out my iPhone saga, I've decided not to get one because of the battery. Ordinary phones have replaceable batteries so if one dies, you buy a new one - $40 no sweat off your back. With iphone, you get a one year warranty, and then you're on your own. Apple care does NOT currently offer an extended warranty although they are "investigating it". Wireless Wave will hook you up with an $90 warranty although your loaner phone would certainly not be an iPhone. It sounds like a silly reason not to get a phone, but I have a touch and I know how finicky it can be about taking/holding a charge and I haven't used it all that much.

Man this Pre thing better be crazy good.

Well if you took stats you will recall the bell curve, and doing Calcs on how long of a warranty to put on something given on how long average life is. This is how they make $ off warranty. Granted, most times the battery is what dies. But I also had the vox 8600 and a Sammy that both started acting weird when they got just over their manu warranty.

Apple doesn't offer extended warranty in Canada but you can pay 89 bucks at wireless wave... Repair takes 2 weeks and you get a random loaner not an iphone. Ultimately, that killed it for me.

Were you serious? everyone has probably read this post before:


I hope the launch is August, and not September. Like I said a few posts back, while Dieter is right and it WOULD make for good back to school marketing, the better play would be to release it in August, then wait until Sept 1st and drop the price $50 to lure the university people.

Any kind of word on supply? I really hope we don't end up with a repeat of the Storm thing where we have to wait for a month after launch to actually get a phone.

My sources state a release date between July 29th and July 31st, which would make sense to me.


...And my sources were right about the July 17th release of the Tour, (Before Bell pulled a fast one) so hopefully they're right again.

yes, i was. i'm just trying to pass along whatever info i've heard from inside. considering its quite close to what MacD has heard it looks like we have a good idea of launch time for this phone.