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FAUguy
01-25-2010, 05:42 AM
Now listed for sale:

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5129

michigan mobile
01-25-2010, 12:55 PM
Got mine at 9am and it took about 4mins after activation for all my info and calenders and email to show up! I love webos lol! This phone is sic! :2thumbs: and thin! now Im loading The hangover and some music before work lol.

mick4394
01-25-2010, 02:47 PM
Man. I expected there to be a lot more activity in this forum today.

What's the deal? No one's going for the Pre?

BigCTM
01-25-2010, 02:51 PM
My thoughts exactly. I am ordering the Pre Plus today with my NE2. The Droid never impressed me with its industrial look and I honestly do not find the Android operating system to be all that intuitive. The only thing about the Droid I wished the Palm had is the turn by turn navigation but I have my Garmin for that and do not travel much.


Man. I expected there to be a lot more activity in this forum today.

What's the deal? No one's going for the Pre?

Gorilla
01-25-2010, 03:11 PM
Pre isn't that exciting to most people because its behind the times... I mean its a nice device, but the screen is much smaller than competitors, and Palm should have had new hardware besides the pixi by now.

mick4394
01-25-2010, 03:17 PM
My thoughts exactly. I am ordering the Pre Plus today with my NE2. The Droid never impressed me with its industrial look and I honestly do not find the Android operating system to be all that intuitive. The only thing about the Droid I wished the Palm had is the turn by turn navigation but I have my Garmin for that and do not travel much.
Right now, I wouldn't trade my Droid for the Pre (which I also own). WebOS is beautiful, but very laggy and the App Catalog isn't on the level of Android's Market yet.

I am, however, interested in seeing where WebOS goes. The announcements Palm made at CES are pretty exciting. I'm hoping that this Verizon release will give the platform a shot in the arm, and development picks up some steam. I'm also hopeful that Palm will, eventually, start taking advantage of the GPU. Popular opinion in the Pre enthusiast community is that this would give the OS the speed boost that it needs.

It's a little disheartening to see that the level of excitement around here is, basically, non-existent. If you can't catch the attention of the enthusiast community, it can't bode well for the platform. In comparison, this place was a madhouse for the Droid release.


Pre isn't that exciting to most people because its behind the times... I mean its a nice device, but the screen is much smaller than competitors, and Palm should have had new hardware besides the pixi by now.
IMO, the Pre's screen size is one of its major pluses. It makes the device a lot more pocketable than almost every other smartphone out there, but is still large enough to be usable.

I'm not sure that people consider the Pre to be behind the times. Frankly, I don't even know what the heck you mean by that. It seems like kind of a generic comment, to me. I'd guess that the Pre's inability to snag some market share has a lot more to do with launching the device on Sprint than anything else. If they had launched on Verizon or AT&T, their position in the smartphone pecking order may be a bit different right now.

PJnc284
01-25-2010, 03:25 PM
There wasn't much advertisement for it and besides the people on the forums, pretty much no one knows that it was released today. Palm really needs to invest in a marketing department if they expect to not be out of business in a few years. While they haven't changed it much, I wouldn't say it's behind the times though. It's meant to be a compact phone and the form factor is what makes it attractive to the average person. I think I sold two while I was in the verizon store today. ha They were fairly busy and only had 1 pre plus and 1 pixi plus out. Neither of them knew the Pre had come to verizon until I showed them. Where's my commission? Below is what I posted in one of the other threads:

Spent about 45min playing with the Pre Plus during lunch break. I recently purchased the droid but am still within my 30 days so I decided to go take a look. I support about 5 Sprint Palm Pre's daily so I'm fairly familiar with the phone and the webos platform.

Software- Couldn't really tell any difference in the speed of opening apps and switching between them in card view than with a standard Sprint Pre. I'm guessing the only time you'd notice a difference in performance there would be when you have a lot of cards open or are playing a game. I still noticed a checkerboard pattern in the browser when flick scrolling, even after the page was fully loaded. Pinch-zoom still works great. I love WebOS though and I would hazard to say that it's the nicest mobile phone platform available.

Hardware- Initially found it kind of awkward not to have the physical home button but the touch sensitive button works great. After playing with the keyboard for a while, it definitely seems easier to type on than the original. Not really a fan of the springiness of the slider though. It snaps open and closed a little to easy and doesn't feel as solid as the Pre on Sprint. My concern is how well it would hold up as you could already feel play by twisting the screen and keyboard in opposite directions which we've noticed on the Pre's we have also. Other than WebOS, the form factor was what I liked the most. It's compact and feels great in the hand. Doesn't feel as solid in the hand droid but that's probably because it weighs an ounce less.

Overall I'd say the Pre Plus is pretty much the same as the Sprint Pre to the average person. If you've been eying the Pre and waiting for it to drop on Verizon you won't be disappointed. For $149 on a 2 yr contract, it's a great buy and as the engadget review said, it's pretty much a no brainer to go with the Pre Plus over the Pixi Plus. Don't think I'd pay full retain for it though. In the end, I'm probably going to stay with the Droid even though there's a lot I like about the Pre Plus. Just not ready to give up the larger screen, free google nav and the openness of android.

C DM
01-25-2010, 04:42 PM
That's true, VZW really should have advertised the phones, but it doesn't seem like they have (at all).

Cauchon
01-25-2010, 04:59 PM
I got mine this morning. So far I like it.

Sawawa
01-25-2010, 05:28 PM
It has the same processor as the Droid. It's not behind the times at all.

Natty_lite
01-25-2010, 05:42 PM
Nothing out of date about the Pre. I just can't get over how bloody slow it opens up programs. Isn't that everyone's biggest gripe with Windows Mobile? Why does no one care about that all of a sudden?

pudgewack
01-25-2010, 06:50 PM
I ordered mine this morning from the website. Should have it tomorrow by 3 pm. I am really looking forward to testing out webOS.

johncase3
01-25-2010, 07:12 PM
I'm waiting a year till I can a used one off ebay cheap so I can put it on Page Plus. Of course, I will have to use anything data intensive via WiFi.... ;)

NashGuy615
01-25-2010, 07:49 PM
Did anyone come to Verizon for the Pre Plus or Pixi Plus? Most of the ones I sold today were new customers.

phobic99
01-25-2010, 08:05 PM
Did anyone come to Verizon for the Pre Plus or Pixi Plus? Most of the ones I sold today were new customers.

I went to the Verizon store with the intent to buy a Pre Plus. It's a cool phone no doubt but in the end I decided to keep my Droid. $600 is too much for the Pre out of contract right now. If I can get one below $500 then I'll jump.

umanben
01-25-2010, 08:42 PM
ordered mine this morning round midnight. i think most consumers have no idea about the phone and older palm devices have left a foul legacy for the company. i started with a treo 650 in 2005 but switched quickly to blackberry bc of superior signal strength (at least for me) and faster email. i'm switching back after trying a droid eris for two weeks and having an iphone 3g last summer finding that each though great phones still left me lusting for webos. multi-tasking and overall ease are great.

Pellam
01-25-2010, 08:51 PM
I went to the Verizon store with the intent to buy a Pre Plus. It's a cool phone no doubt but in the end I decided to keep my Droid. $600 is too much for the Pre out of contract right now. If I can get one below $500 then I'll jump.
Due to the price, I am also hesitant. $600 is just too much, even for full retail. I mean, the Nexus One, the Droid, and the iPhone all sell for less at retail. I am not exactly sure what justifies the $600 (retail) price tag.

Cauchon
01-25-2010, 08:55 PM
I went to the Verizon store with the intent to buy a Pre Plus. It's a cool phone no doubt but in the end I decided to keep my Droid. $600 is too much for the Pre out of contract right now. If I can get one below $500 then I'll jump.
Out of curiosity, what made you watch to ditch the DROID for the Pre?

PJnc284
01-25-2010, 08:58 PM
Guess double the memory and storage, touch sensitive home button, springier slider and that Touchstone battery door are worth $50 more to verizon and palm than it was on Sprint. They've effectively outpriced themselves though with most of those looking to pay full retail.

heantune
01-25-2010, 10:39 PM
Question - does the Verizon version of this phone support voice dial using a Bluetooth headset?

e.g. phone is in pocket, or bag, or you are driving. Click button on headset, phone prompts "Say a command", and you say "Call Joe Smith", or "123-456-7890", and it confirms and dials.....

Droid doesn't. I believe Sprint Pre didn't either. This is an important requirement for me. It's less than 30 days on the Droid so that phone can still be sent back and replaced by a phone that has this feature.

Any thoughts
H

phobic99
01-25-2010, 10:48 PM
Out of curiosity, what made you watch to ditch the DROID for the Pre?
I just wanted something different I think. The Droid isn't bad at all and actually after playing with the Pre, I like the Droid better overall. Using the Pre in landscape mode is just odd and apps are slow to launch initially but I really do like WebOS a lot. Someone mentioned a phone like the nexus one running webOS would be superb and I'd have to agree mostly.

C DM
01-25-2010, 11:51 PM
Question - does the Verizon version of this phone support voice dial using a Bluetooth headset?

e.g. phone is in pocket, or bag, or you are driving. Click button on headset, phone prompts "Say a command", and you say "Call Joe Smith", or "123-456-7890", and it confirms and dials.....

Droid doesn't. I believe Sprint Pre didn't either. This is an important requirement for me. It's less than 30 days on the Droid so that phone can still be sent back and replaced by a phone that has this feature.

Any thoughts
HI'm somewhat shocked to see/hear that such advanced phones like the Droid or the Pre (at least the Sprint one) don't support something as basic as that--something that basically all feature phones support, and even supported years ago. It would be rather crazy if these phones didn't.

FAUguy
01-26-2010, 12:38 AM
Here's my review of the Pre Plus:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Palm-Pre-Plus-Review-review-r_2373.html

pix3l
01-26-2010, 01:02 AM
Anyway we can get that wifi hotspot working without paying an extra 40 bucks lol?

readability
01-26-2010, 01:38 AM
Here's my review of the Pre Plus:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Palm-Pre-Plus-Review-review-r_2373.html
FAU, I've always wondered. What's the backstory with the Disney wallpaper on every phone review?

Thanks for another comprehensive review, as usual.

bd2bonez06
01-26-2010, 01:59 AM
I picked one up today, had one on sprint. Going to use it as my daily and switch out with my Droid 9 :2thumbs: Personally i think Verizon is waiting on 1.4 to release and update then start advertising. I think no video recording out of the box there would be alot of returns. Once 1.4 hits they have more features to advertise. Just my thoughts :buddies:

FAUguy
01-26-2010, 04:12 AM
Anyway we can get that wifi hotspot working without paying an extra 40 bucks lol?
I don't know, but I doubt it.
It was already activated on my demo units.

FAUguy
01-26-2010, 04:18 AM
FAU, I've always wondered. What's the backstory with the Disney wallpaper on every phone review?
I took the image with my dig-cam while on vacation in 2005 and placed it on my cell phone. Then when I started doing the phone reviews back in 2006 I decided to use it, so I can see how well (or poor) the same wallpaper looks on each phone. Since then I've used it on just about all my reviews, sort of like a "hidden mickey", even though its not really hidden.

PJnc284
01-26-2010, 07:21 AM
Anyway we can get that wifi hotspot working without paying an extra 40 bucks lol?

I'm sure someone will find a way. It didn't take them long after the Sprint Pre was released to enable wifi tethering on it. From my experience with it, the phone gets a little too hot and you better keep it plugged in when using it.

Jakes
01-26-2010, 09:48 AM
As the title says, post if your Pre Plus is in your hand. Mine will be here tomorrow and I can't wait! I'll be sure to post picture and I'll probably write a review in a week or so. :buddies:

Cauchon
01-26-2010, 10:42 AM
Mine is in my hand :)

Mark_Venture
01-26-2010, 01:56 PM
Here's my review of the Pre Plus:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Palm-Pre-Plus-Review-review-r_2373.html
Thanks! Nice review.

I'm waiting for mine to arrive yet...

sprke81
01-26-2010, 02:23 PM
Personally i think Verizon is waiting on 1.4 to release and update then start advertising.
Maybe there not advertising it because of what's going to happen tomorrow at the Apple event. I would think thats what their going to put their marketing muscle into.

catchmyjetta
01-26-2010, 02:27 PM
Maybe there not advertising it because of what's going to happen tomorrow at the Apple event. I would think thats what their going to put their marketing muscle into.

I agree. I really like the pre, I picked one up and am considering using it over my Droid. But Apple is going to be where the push is if that is what is happening.

FAUguy
01-26-2010, 03:23 PM
Thanks! Nice review.

I'm waiting for mine to arrive yet...
Yeah, I heard the VCC had their choice of the Pre or Pixi.

poncho524
01-26-2010, 03:24 PM
Anyway we can get that wifi hotspot working without paying an extra 40 bucks lol?
i'm curious about this too since on palm's website they tout using the Pre as a WiFi hotspot as a standard feature.

Someone who has this, check it out and let us know. this might convince me to switch from BB.

PJnc284
01-26-2010, 03:53 PM
If it's anything like the Wifi hotspot hack on the Sprint Pre, it works great. It looks almost the same from what I can tell. We used one a month or so ago when we had a power outage and it was fairly speedy with 2 people on it.

poncho524
01-26-2010, 03:56 PM
If it's anything like the Wifi hotspot hack on the Sprint Pre, it works great. It looks almost the same from what I can tell. We used one a month or so ago when we had a power outage and it was fairly speedy with 2 people on it.
yeah, but VZW is known for crippling features...

so i'm still curious about how it works with VZW

PJnc284
01-26-2010, 04:04 PM
It'll be hacked though to enable wifi tethering just like the Touch Pro 2 and the droid.

C DM
01-26-2010, 04:31 PM
yeah, but VZW is known for crippling features...

so i'm still curious about how it works with VZWPerhaps in the past, and mostly related to feature phones, not really so much lately.

Moderator HF 6
01-26-2010, 04:52 PM
Threads merged.

reddyjs
01-26-2010, 06:34 PM
I picked one up today, had one on sprint. Going to use it as my daily and switch out with my Droid 9 :2thumbs: Personally i think Verizon is waiting on 1.4 to release and update then start advertising. I think no video recording out of the box there would be alot of returns. Once 1.4 hits they have more features to advertise. Just my thoughts :buddies:

I personally think that the reason Verizon didn't advertise the Pre and Pixi is due to a possible iPhone release in the near future. I have no concrete evidence to support this but I find it pretty odd that there was literally ZERO marketing for the Pre Plus or Pixi plus. Literally, the only point we even saw Verizon acknowledge the Pre and Pixi was when they placed them in the online order page yesterday. There isn't even anything on the front page which indicates that they are selling the Palms.

johncase3
01-26-2010, 07:04 PM
...Literally, the only point we even saw Verizon acknowledge the Pre and Pixi was when they placed them in the online order page yesterday. There isn't even anything on the front page which indicates that they are selling the Palms.Has Verizon EVER properly marketed a Palm handset? Why should they start now....

mick4394
01-26-2010, 07:35 PM
Has Verizon EVER properly marketed a Palm handset? Why should they start now....
You read my mind. Palm devices have always been second class citizens on Verizon's network.

C DM
01-26-2010, 07:44 PM
Has Verizon EVER properly marketed a Palm handset? Why should they start now....But has VZW ever had a Palm handset that was actually different and advanced (and perhaps revolutionary) enough to be worthy of good marketing? The webOS handsets certainly fall into that category, especially the first ones that are coming to VZW.

reddyjs
01-26-2010, 08:16 PM
Has Verizon EVER properly marketed a Palm handset? Why should they start now....

If the Droid release is any indication, Verizon would be doing everything possible to pimp an iPhone competitor regardless of which company was releasing it. That is, of course, unless they are getting the iPhone soon.

TippsTheFoo
01-26-2010, 10:34 PM
Went and checked out the Pre+ yesterday and left with mixed feelings. I've been searching for my next phone for a few months now and was hoping the Pre might be the one. It's not. The screen is too small, but my primary gripe is the build quality of the keyboard. It just feels cheap. The Moto Droid is still the phone to beat, IMO.

johncase3
01-26-2010, 10:45 PM
But has VZW ever had a Palm handset that was actually different and advanced (and perhaps revolutionary) enough to be worthy of good marketing? You have a valid point, but if you go to the cost/effort of carrying a handset, you should at least make a feeble attempt at promoting it. That said, the VZW Treo 755P came out 6 months late so by that time it was old news.

C DM
01-26-2010, 11:21 PM
You have a valid point, but if you go to the cost/effort of carrying a handset, you should at least make a feeble attempt at promoting it. That said, the VZW Treo 755P came out 6 months late so by that time it was old news.In some sense I fear that VZW is kind of treating this the same way--the Pre already made its news when it came out originally on Sprint, so by this point it's not that big of a deal really. Still, it's relatively new and pretty good, at least certainly up there with the iPhone and Android phones in terms of usability/features, so it can't really hurt to market it, especially since no one else outside of Sprint had it before, and now it's only VZW in addition to Sprint (and, realistically, VZW has the better model in comparison as well).

michigan mobile
01-26-2010, 11:56 PM
I think they are waiting for the super bowl.

readability
01-27-2010, 12:43 AM
Well, I got my (two) Pre Pluses today. While I had tested one out for a few days before it was released, I'm really liking it now that I've set it as my primary handset with all my data from Google and Exchange being pulled into Synergy. Compared to the Droid which I had previously been using, it's substantially better for my purposes. I prefer to get things done rather than diddling around with poorly made applications and Force Close error windows.

One thing I wasn't expecting was that the Touchstone doesn't come with its own AC adapter which was lame. Plus, you have to use the cable that was included with the device as it's shaped a particular way.

Mark_Venture
01-27-2010, 10:53 AM
Yeah, I heard the VCC had their choice of the Pre or Pixi.
Yup, and I think only 2 selected Pixi. Rest picked Pre. And one didn't want a Palm device.

Natty_lite
01-27-2010, 12:05 PM
It seems Verizon only puts the major marketing dollars behind exclusive devices. My theory is that Verizon doesn't want to aggressively pursue an ad campaign that would potentially help a competing carrier.

C DM
01-27-2010, 12:53 PM
It seems Verizon only puts the major marketing dollars behind exclusive devices. My theory is that Verizon doesn't want to aggressively pursue an ad campaign that would potentially help a competing carrier.There's definitely some sense in that. However, VZW does have the Plus version of the phones, which are better than those on Sprint, so even that alone gives them an edge and even something to advertise ("want a Pre or a Pixi, why go with a slower/underpowered one on another carrier when we have the updated newer better models on the better carrier", etc.).

FAUguy
02-05-2010, 05:20 PM
Yup, and I think only 2 selected Pixi. Rest picked Pre. And one didn't want a Palm device.
I'm hearing Lynne still hasn't sent them out yet? I wonder what the hold-up is. Maybe they will send you the Devour instead.

Mark_Venture
02-06-2010, 01:05 AM
I'm hearing Lynne still hasn't sent them out yet? I wonder what the hold-up is. Maybe they will send you the Devour instead.
Yeah, the other day she posted apologizing for the delay, and they were sending them for this week.

They still didn't arrive as of Friday, no update, and we don't know what to expect, so the council is getting restless... :(

I've given up worrying about when its going to arrive (I've been working alternating between working at home or the office, so I had it shipped to the office so it gets signed for. I'm only 10 min drive from the ofc if it shows up).

I've read mixed reviews on the Pre Plus, but I'm still anxious to try it, and if they've changed their mind and it doesn't arrive, no biggie.

Mark_Venture
02-12-2010, 01:03 PM
Yeah, the other day she posted apologizing for the delay, and they were sending them for this week....update.. we're not going to be getting them :(

FAUguy
02-12-2010, 06:53 PM
update.. we're not going to be getting them :(
Oh ok...maybe they will send you guys the Devour instead.