• Welcome Back to the Dark Ages



    Rather than divert this important discussion of a momentous Canadian wireless event I'm adding my two cents to the thread where they belong; if you're seeing this on the front page you should know that there is a lot to read before my humble reply.

    The story so far: Vimpelcom Ltd. has decided not to back WIND in this week's 700MHz spectrum auction, leaving Canada's would-be fourth carrier without the funds to participate. It's a **** move for sure and likely a deliberate one, sending a very clear message to Ottawa that VimpelCom is not impressed with this country's foreign ownership rules.

    And the situation sucks, for everyone.

    Tony Lacavera

    It is business as usual at Wind - we do need more spectrum so I am not happy we had to withdraw from 700 but onwards and upwards for here! — Tony Lacavera (@TonyLacavera) January 13, 2014
    Behold, the lion without claws... For all the attention he's been getting recently the biggest feather in Mr. Lacavera's cap is that he's been able to keep WIND running at all. This quote from a recent Globe and Mail article sums up WIND's unique financial predicament:

    When it comes to Wind’s future, depending on one’s view, Mr. Lacavera either holds all the cards or none at all. He may have voting control, but he is not bankrolling the business.
    In other words, while Lacavera controls WIND through his holding company he himself seems unable to procure the cash necessary to expand operations. Without Vimpelcom to back him up, will any investors take him seriously at this point?

    WIND Customers

    Confidence shaken? You're not alone.

    I know at least one WIND user who has been enduring the carrier's sub-par data network in downtown Toronto solely because of the auction; with his hopes for a more robust network dashed he may well be jumping ship soon. I suspect there are lots of other users entertaining similar ideas.

    The bad press isn't going to help WIND get new customers, either. To be fair, the network is perfectly acceptable in some parts of the country — some parts of Toronto, even. But if WIND is perceived as having a shaky future then would-be users might turn elsewhere for service. Better the devil you know...

    The Canadian Government

    The 2008 AWS spectrum auction is officially a failure. Videotron and other regional players are still around, of course, but our government's efforts to bring a fourth national carrier to this country have been a bust.

    Depending on your point of view they've done too much meddling or too little. Some will say that foreign ownership restrictions should be lifted altogether, while others will argue that Ottawa should be taking more control of our airwaves, in the form of common carriage or something even more radical than that.

    Right now any strategy looks better than what Ottawa has come up with to date. The jury's still out on domestic roaming, but if you ask me the CRTC's Wireless Code has done little more than given Bell, Rogers and Telus an opportunity to reset their pricing schemes, to the detriment of their customers.

    The Big Three

    Speaking of the Big Three, WIND's hasty exit from the auction should be great news for them, right? Maybe not...

    Smarter people than me have not forgotten the rules of the 700MHz auction — specifically the limit on spectrum that incumbents can bid for. It's entirely possible that the set-aside for WIND will go entirely unused. It's also possible that the auction will be delayed, which would be bad news for carriers and customers alike.

    Welcome Back

    In the before time, the long long ago, I paid Fido (Rogers) $10/month for a mere 12MB of 3G data. Yup, megabytes. A then-entirely reasonable 250MB would have set me back some twenty-five hundred bucks.

    Five years later I was paying WIND $40/month for unlimited everything — I'd still be with them today were it not for LTE. Without LTE or additional spectrum WIND is set to fall further behind, and there may soon come a day where there will be no one left to keep the Big Three's exorbitant prices in check.

    Welcome back to the Dark Ages of mobile in Canada...

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: Wind pulls out of spectrum auction started by SharpieFiend View original post
    Comments 199 Comments
    1. bluebell_rose's Avatar
      bluebell_rose -
      damn it and wind needs 700 badly
    1. SharpieFiend's Avatar
      SharpieFiend -
      Quote Originally Posted by bluebell_rose View Post
      damn it and wind needs 700 badly
      Vimplecom pulled the funding, so Wind is essentially dead. This means there will be no Mobiliciy deal either, and Vimplecom will pressure the government to hold an auction of their own. Sad, really, but hardly unexpected.
    1. killerjay's Avatar
      killerjay -
      this is the worst thing ever..... i cant believe they did this... hopefully another bidder will actually do something for canada.
    1. 2K2SilverCivicS's Avatar
      2K2SilverCivicS -
      Damn... Now it seems Wind is a sinking ship....

      Time to jump ships?
    1. FormerSlacker's Avatar
      FormerSlacker -
      Looks like the writing is on the wall for Wind... not good for consumers, the big 3 gouge is coming.
    1. icemasta's Avatar
      icemasta -
      Wow that was sudden and unexpected.

      It seemed as though Wind was back to normal with the new cell sites, advertisement, and Mobilicity bid; however I guess Vimpelcom has a different agenda.

      If Wind doesn't purchase Mobilicitys spectrum at this point it's game over.
    1. SharpieFiend's Avatar
      SharpieFiend -
      Quote Originally Posted by 2K2SilverCivicS View Post
      Damn... Now it seems Wind is a sinking ship....

      Time to jump ships?
      Now is the worst time to jump ship... Wait to see who acquires Wind before you make that decision.
    1. Mannn Incognito's Avatar
      Mannn Incognito -
      Quote Originally Posted by icemasta View Post
      Wow that was sudden and unexpected.

      It seemed as though Wind was back to normal with the new cell sites, advertisement, and Mobilicity bid; however I guess Vimpelcom has a different agenda.
      Sorry Wind Lovers, Mobilicity rules baby. Ya Ya Ya.

      Mobilicity 4 ever.
    1. Mann Incognito's Avatar
      Mann Incognito -
      This isn't good news at all but then this is the result of government interference in a free market. Granted, there needs to be some rules, but to dictate who can buy whom? They wouldn't dare institute the same rules in the auto industry, or any other industry for that matter. I understand the need for competition but to strangle the market with rules and regulations with such force has done nothing but make the very companies they seemingly wanted to protect worthless and unsalable.
    1. TheSteve's Avatar
      TheSteve -
      A real shame indeed. If they would have been able to buy Mobilicity and a block of 700 Mhz they would have had enough spectrum for many years of growth.

      The government rules do suck, but the possibility of espionage has to be taken seriously.
    1. Mann Incognito's Avatar
      Mann Incognito -
      There's no real mention of WIND's bid for Mobilicity. This could be just a ploy by VimpelCom to seemingly stick it to the government while "back dooring" expansion. If I'm not mistaken with Mobilicity's spectrum LTE is entirely possible.

      Remember when WIND tested LTE in Toronto in December, 2010?

      *EDIT* Yes, I understand that what I suggested above is not very likely, but hey.
    1. yo2boyftw's Avatar
      yo2boyftw -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mann Incognito View Post
      There's no real mention of WIND's bid for Mobilicity. This could be just a ploy by VimpelCom to seemingly stick it to the government while "back dooring" expansion. If I'm not mistaken with Mobilicity's spectrum LTE is entirely possible.

      Remember when WIND tested LTE in Toronto in December, 2010?

      *EDIT* Yes, I understand that what I suggested above is not very likely, but hey.
      Wait what? Do you have a link for when Wind tested LTE?

      -edit- Nvm, found it.
    1. TheSteve's Avatar
      TheSteve -
      Mobilicity's spectrum would work fine for LTE, and it would have made the most sense for Wind to use the Mobilicitys spectrum for LTE and then put HSPA on 700 Mhz (had they bought it, or if they do in the future) That would given them more coverage with HSPA and they could have offered LTE when closer to the cell sites.(This assumes they could have found handsets with 700 mhz HSPA support)
    1. SharpieFiend's Avatar
      SharpieFiend -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheSteve View Post
      Mobilicity's spectrum would work fine for LTE, and it would have made the most sense for Wind to use the Mobilicitys spectrum for LTE and then put HSPA on 700 Mhz (had they bought it, or if they do in the future) That would given them more coverage with HSPA and they could have offered LTE when closer to the cell sites.(This assumes they could have found handsets with 700 mhz HSPA support)
      It *would* work fine, but the problem is that it's only regional and there isn't enough of it.
    1. Mann Incognito's Avatar
      Mann Incognito -
      Quote Originally Posted by yo2boyftw View Post
      Wait what? Do you have a link for when Wind tested LTE?
      I don't have a link but I was with WIND at the time. For some reason I even remember the date; December 10, 2010!! LOL. I has working late that night and everything went nuts between midnight and 3:00am. Signals were up and down like yoyos and you couldn't call out or receive, the whole thing was rather surreal. In the morning WIND's forums were full of people wondering what the heck went on. It was a couple of days later that Tony announced they had tested LTE on a few towers in Toronto and they ran two more (I think) tests in the following couple of weeks.

      *EDIT* Link to an article on WIND introducing HD voice and testing LTE with speeds at 50-60Mb/s. It doesn't state when the tests took place, only that they had:

      http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/7960...-4g-live-trial
    1. Mannn Incognito's Avatar
      Mannn Incognito -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mann Incognito View Post
      I don't have a link but I was with WIND at the time. For some reason I even remember the date; December 10, 2010!! LOL. I has working late that night and everything went nuts between midnight and 3:00am. Signals were up and down like yoyos and you couldn't call out or receive, the whole thing was rather surreal. In the morning WIND's forums were full of people wondering what the heck went on. It was a couple of days later that Tony announced they had tested LTE on a few towers in Toronto and they run two more (I think) tests in the following couple of weeks.

      Working Late. Lol. Mobilicity for ever Baby!!! That is where it's at.
    1. 1Khalid's Avatar
      1Khalid -
      As a former customer of Wind I must say this is a sad day. Wind has nowhere to go but down. The Canadian government screwed themselves and Wind on this one. I was hoping to come back to them one day but now it doesn't seem likely. Mobility is already trash, there is no forth option.
    1. motivotto's Avatar
      motivotto -
      Our government has done a great job making competition look as unattractive as possible in Canada's wireless industry.
    1. SharpieFiend's Avatar
      SharpieFiend -
      Quote Originally Posted by motivotto View Post
      Our government has done a great job making competition look as unattractive as possible in Canada's wireless industry.
      This is another nail in Harper's coffin and a black eye for Canada.
    1. motivotto's Avatar
      motivotto -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mann Incognito View Post
      I don't have a link but I was with WIND at the time. For some reason I even remember the date; December 10, 2010!! LOL. I has working late that night and everything went nuts between midnight and 3:00am. Signals were up and down like yoyos and you couldn't call out or receive, the whole thing was rather surreal. In the morning WIND's forums were full of people wondering what the heck went on. It was a couple of days later that Tony announced they had tested LTE on a few towers in Toronto and they run two more (I think) tests in the following couple of weeks.
      http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/7960...-4g-live-trial

      WIND was calling their "4G" network LTE.
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