• The Coming Nuclear Winter for Wireless Plans in Canada



    If you live in Canada and aren't happy with either your mobile service or what you're paying for it, my advice is this: Get yourself on Koodo's $55/5GB SK/MB plan as per ijcy's instructions before it's too late.

    The likes of Mobile Syrup would have you believe that the coming changes to Koodo (and also Fido) amount to a re-branding for millennials, but forum members know better—the real news here is that loyalty programs and perks are going away.

    If reports (from multiple sources) turn out to be true, then subscribers to the Fido network will soon see their Fido Dollars disappear. The 4% pre-tax credit on a customer's monthly bill could be used towards a new device or applied as a discount to an add-on. It was a good differentiator for what was otherwise essentially wireless service from Rogers.

    The changes coming to Koodo are two-fold. First, the Koodo Tab, a surprisingly reasonable alternative to the traditional (and egregious) penalties of early contract cancellation, will soon be off the table. Even worse, the 10% BYOD discount will likewise be no more. As someone who refuses, on principle, to lock themselves in to any one carrier via a subsidy, that 10% makes Koodo's $55 plan an even better $49.50/month. To get something similar from parent company TELUS would cost at least twice as much.

    Some are hopeful that the forthcoming plans from Fido and Koodo will actually be better than what's currently on offer. Riiight... If you don't believe me, believe what Peter Nowak tweeted yesterday:



    How much has the Canadian government lowered wireless prices? This much.

    — Peter Nowak (@peternowak) March 25, 2015
    If following Canada's Big Three carriers has taught me anything, it's that they never, ever pass on an opportunity to jack up their prices.

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    Comments 18 Comments
    1. shadowspar's Avatar
      shadowspar -
      So we've heard about what changes are likely forthcoming for Fido and Koodo...and I can't help but wonder: what about Virgin? I mean, it's possible they'll stay largely unchanged, but by the same token, it's not like the Big 3 have never moved in lockstep before.
    1. howard's Avatar
      howard -
      If the big three raise the basement on their plans this could benefit Wind. They'll have have some breathing room to raise prices a little. It could make Wind a more viable competitor in the long run.
    1. darkesha's Avatar
      darkesha -
      Again - we can't complain about no competition since we do have Wind.
      The network isn't there yet, but it's essentially the same as in 2002 when I signed in with Fido.
    1. turbogeek's Avatar
      turbogeek -
      I'm not sure if that comment was meant to be sarcastic, but if the oligopoly doesn't consider Wind real competition why should anyone else? The only places where market competition has any observable effect on the big 3's actions are SK, MB, and Thunder Bay ON (QC?). Hell, right now in AB, BC, and the Territories you pay $100 MORE for a GS5 than the rest of the country, on top of the higher cost plans & higher required minimum spends than those few actually-somewhat-competitive markets.
    1. KeeganGoerz's Avatar
      KeeganGoerz -
      I struggle with the Koodo plan decision. I was with them on the SK/MB plan for a month or two before switching to WIND again for their $35 plan.
      I mean I know the Telus network is far superior... and WIND is REALLY struggling with congestion in Edmonton... but I also wonder if I hold out with WIND then I'll have a killer $35 grandfathered plan...
      Its just if the wait is worth it... but I would intend to switch back once it got better... and then prices would likely be higher...
    1. Steven Hurdle's Avatar
      Steven Hurdle -
      Quote Originally Posted by darkesha View Post
      Again - we can't complain about no competition since we do have Wind.
      The network isn't there yet, but it's essentially the same as in 2002 when I signed in with Fido.
      There are key differences. Microcell Solutions (Fido) at that time had coverage in Victoria, BC (the official launch was February 1998). Wind started expanding into Victoria, and then backed out and took down what few sites they had. Microcell continued expanding, as they added Nanaimo, Whistler, etc., and that's just in my backyard.

      Wind started, and then came to an abrupt halt. Their network expansion is now *very* low intensity, lower than Microcell's was.

      The real problem is that no wireless-only player has ever survived in Canada. Rogers, Videotron, and Eastlink have, but they're also cable companies. Telus, Bell, Sasktel, TBayTel, and MTS have, but they're also terrestrial phone companies. All of the above entered the wireless market with existing customers to market services (and, importantly, bundles) to. All of them came into the market with existing infrastructure to build on top of.

      ClearNET, Microcell Solutions, Mobilicity, and Public Mobile all came in as wireless-only plays. And we know how all of them have turned out (or, in the case of Mobilicity, are still turning out). ClearNET and Microcell weren't even auctioned the spectrum, they were given *nationwide* PCS licences for *free*. And they still failed. It's also worth noting that all the failed companies also had strictly high-band spectrum. Like Wind.

      I want Wind to be successful. I'd swap to them in a heartbeat if they expanded coverage to where I live and work. But the challenges are daunting.
    1. Steven Hurdle's Avatar
      Steven Hurdle -
      Quote Originally Posted by KeeganGoerz View Post
      I struggle with the Koodo plan decision. I was with them on the SK/MB plan for a month or two before switching to WIND again for their $35 plan.
      I mean I know the Telus network is far superior... and WIND is REALLY struggling with congestion in Edmonton... but I also wonder if I hold out with WIND then I'll have a killer $35 grandfathered plan...
      Its just if the wait is worth it... but I would intend to switch back once it got better... and then prices would likely be higher...
      I don't envy you your choice. On the face of it, switching to Koodo is a no-brainer as for the extra $14.50 (on BYOD) you get a vastly better network. However, with Wind you'll likely keep your plan for a long time, whereas there's the potential for Koodo to start auditing the heck out of the MB/SK plans down the road. Just because they haven't done much of that yet doesn't mean they won't start tomorrow, so there's always the possibility.

      And unless Wind somehow gets Shaw's or Mobilicity's spectrum, or Wind gets BRS spectrum later this month, the congestion issues won't be solved until late 2016. And Wind getting BRS is far from a guarantee, as none of it is set aside for new entrants.

      And by staying with Wind you're supporting the scrappy underdog, and supporting Wind is our only real chance of forcing the big-3 to change their policies and rates. So for many people, that alone is a reason to stay, especially if you're satisfied with the service.
    1. Eug's Avatar
      Eug -
      This has turned out to be a real bonus for my wife. I find the loyalty programs and perks to be largely useless in many scenarios, because of the heavy restrictions on their use. You are paying for them regardless, so you may as well get rid of them and charge us less.

      Indeed, my wife just switched from Fido to Koodo, and left over $165 in Fido dollars on the table, because of the restrictions on their use. In fact, in all the years she's been with Fido, she's NEVER used her Fido dollars. Never. You can use Fido dollars for US travel packs, but it's not something she does often. Meanwhile, Fido's current plans have a Spotify perk, which again is a useless feature for her. Yet, the perk is built into the cost of the plan.

      When Koodo released its new $45 plan a couple of weeks ago with unlimited Canada-wide voice, unlimited international SMS/MMS, voicemail 10 (with an option for iPhone visual voice mail for $2 extra), plus 1 GB data, we decided to switch her phone to that. Good plan in Ontario with no extra perks and no loyalty features, for less money than before. We asked Fido to match, and they couldn't... probably partially because their cost includes the 4% Fido dollars and Spotify subscription, neither of which is of any use to her.

      Unlocked phones with plans devoid of loyalty plans and extra useless perks are the way to go IMO.

      Quote Originally Posted by Steven Hurdle View Post
      And by staying with Wind you're supporting the scrappy underdog, and supporting Wind is our only real chance of forcing the big-3 to change their policies and rates. So for many people, that alone is a reason to stay, especially if you're satisfied with the service.
      Staying with WIND may be supporting the scrappy underdog, but I'm not happy paying for sub-par cell service, even if it's cheaper. $10-20 a month is not worth the extra headache.

      Sure, if WIND works well in your area and you don't travel much, then fine. However, why the heck would you stay with them if you're not satisfied with their service?

      Quote Originally Posted by darkesha View Post
      Again - we can't complain about no competition since we do have Wind.
      The network isn't there yet, but it's essentially the same as in 2002 when I signed in with Fido.
      Not the same at all, at least in Toronto and Montreal. I've been with Fido since the late 1990s, and Fido downtown at least was way, way, way better than Clearnet. Extremely reliable. Same was true for downtown Montreal. This is in stark contrast to WIND, which consistently gets lower reliability reviews than the big three, even in places like downtown.

      The problem with Fido in that era was the extent of their network. They pretty much didn't exist in the boonies. But in big metropolitan cities they focused upon, service was excellent. OTOH, WIND even in big metropolitan cities is problematic for a lot of people.
    1. kav2001c's Avatar
      kav2001c -
      Quote Originally Posted by Eug View Post

      Indeed, my wife just switched from Fido to Koodo, and left over $165 in Fido dollars on the table, because of the restrictions on their use. In fact, in all the years she's been with Fido, she's NEVER used her Fido dollars. Never.
      That is pretty foolish... you could have burnt the dollars towards an upgrade phone (even an el cheapo one as an emergency spare)

      Quote Originally Posted by Eug View Post
      When Koodo released its new $45 plan a couple of weeks ago with unlimited Canada-wide voice, unlimited international SMS/MMS, voicemail 10 (with an option for iPhone visual voice mail for $2 extra), plus 1 GB data, we decided to switch her phone to that. Good plan in Ontario with no extra perks and no loyalty features, for less money than before. We asked Fido to match, and they couldn't... probably partially because their cost includes the 4% Fido dollars and Spotify subscription, neither of which is of any use to her.
      Why didn't sign up to the Fido SIM only plan a month ago? More features (like 2GB data) and even if you save $10 a month a Koodo it takes you over a year to break even...

      That's the issue I had with my wife line... new plans are cheaper but break even point is so far in future it is not worth switching since a new phone is required at that point

      Quote Originally Posted by Eug View Post
      Sure, if WIND works well in your area and you don't travel much, then fine. However, why the heck would you stay with them if you're not satisfied with their service?
      Always makes me smile. Why anyone would get a cell phone that does not work when they travel lol
      Might as well just get a VOIP landline then since so much cheaper + more reliable
    1. sirtate's Avatar
      sirtate -
      Quote Originally Posted by Eug View Post
      This has turned out to be a real bonus for my wife. I find the loyalty programs and perks to be largely useless in many scenarios, because of the heavy restrictions on their use. You are paying for them regardless, so you may as well get rid of them and charge us less.

      Indeed, my wife just switched from Fido to Koodo, and left over $165 in Fido dollars on the table, because of the restrictions on their use. In fact, in all the years she's been with Fido, she's NEVER used her Fido dollars. Never. You can use Fido dollars for US travel packs, but it's not something she does often. Meanwhile, Fido's current plans have a Spotify perk, which again is a useless feature for her. Yet, the perk is built into the cost of the plan.

      When Koodo released its new $45 plan a couple of weeks ago with unlimited Canada-wide voice, unlimited international SMS/MMS, voicemail 10 (with an option for iPhone visual voice mail for $2 extra), plus 1 GB data, we decided to switch her phone to that. Good plan in Ontario with no extra perks and no loyalty features, for less money than before. We asked Fido to match, and they couldn't... probably partially because their cost includes the 4% Fido dollars and Spotify subscription, neither of which is of any use to her.

      Unlocked phones with plans devoid of loyalty plans and extra useless perks are the way to go IMO.


      Staying with WIND may be supporting the scrappy underdog, but I'm not happy paying for sub-par cell service, even if it's cheaper. $10-20 a month is not worth the extra headache.

      Sure, if WIND works well in your area and you don't travel much, then fine. However, why the heck would you stay with them if you're not satisfied with their service?


      Not the same at all, at least in Toronto and Montreal. I've been with Fido since the late 1990s, and Fido downtown at least was way, way, way better than Clearnet. Extremely reliable. Same was true for downtown Montreal. This is in stark contrast to WIND, which consistently gets lower reliability reviews than the big three, even in places like downtown.

      The problem with Fido in that era was the extent of their network. They pretty much didn't exist in the boonies. But in big metropolitan cities they focused upon, service was excellent. OTOH, WIND even in big metropolitan cities is problematic for a lot of people.
      At least they had the Windsor-Quebec corridor covered within 4 years....
    1. Eug's Avatar
      Eug -
      Quote Originally Posted by kav2001c View Post
      That is pretty foolish... you could have burnt the dollars towards an upgrade phone (even an el cheapo one as an emergency spare)
      I already have el cheapo emergency spares (several of them in fact), and anyways, a Fido-locked cheap emergency spare isn't going to help her now that she's on Koodo.

      Furthermore, all of the smartphones at Fido are $200 or more. She was not going to pay $200 + $25 (admin fee) - $165 (Fido Dollars) = $60 plus tax for a low end Android smartphone she doesn't want or need. They have dumbphones, but even getting one of those is a waste, because of that stupid $25 admin fee if you want to buy any phone outright with Fido Dollars. Again, paying $25 plus tax for a low end dumbphone you don't want or need isn't a good use of money, even if the phone is worth $55 or whatever.

      They do waive the admin fee in certain cases, but that's when you're signing onto a new contract, which of course she wouldn't be doing.

      So, effectively, her $165 in Fido dollars were indeed useless in her situation.

      Why didn't sign up to the Fido SIM only plan a month ago? More features (like 2GB data) and even if you save $10 a month a Koodo it takes you over a year to break even...

      That's the issue I had with my wife line... new plans are cheaper but break even point is so far in future it is not worth switching since a new phone is required at that point
      Huh? I don't understand what you're getting at. Break even for what? Since there is no contract, the money saved starts the first month. The only cost incurred for starting a new account with Koodo was the $5 fee for the new SIM card.

      The comparable Fido plans are/were not as well-priced, and she doesn't need 2 GB.

      For the record, if you were thinking my wife had a contract, she didn't. She was month-to-month. The only "contract" she has ever signed was a 24-month term in order to get a $5 monthly credit. However, that wasn't really a contract in the usual sense because she didn't take a phone subsidy with that, so there was no phone subsidy to pay back. ie. Penalty to break contract = $0 plus admin fee. She could break that "contract" at any time (even in the first month) simply by paying a $12.50 admin fee. But even paying that admin fee wasn't necessary at this time, since her contract (and consequently her $5 discount) had already expired.

      So, bottom line cliff notes: Cost for her to transfer from Fido to Koodo was $5.65, which is the cost of the new SIM card. That's it.
    1. kav2001c's Avatar
      kav2001c -
      Quote Originally Posted by Eug View Post
      So, bottom line cliff notes: Cost for her to transfer from Fido to Koodo was $5.65, which is the cost of the new SIM card. That's it.
      In the words of Homer Simpson Doh!
      Jumped the gun didn't you haha

      Fido has price matched Koodo now (big surprise)
      So you wasted $5.65 + Fido dollar amount
    1. Eug's Avatar
      Eug -
      Quote Originally Posted by kav2001c View Post
      In the words of Homer Simpson Doh!
      Jumped the gun didn't you haha

      Fido has price matched Koodo now (big surprise)
      So you wasted $5.65 + Fido dollar amount
      No. Fido's offering is still a fail.

      Fido's plan doesn't include any voicemail at all. It also doesn't include international SMS or MMS. So that means if you want to match the Koodo deal, it's $50 per month, not $45.

      Fido, lose that lame Spotify, so you can drop your plan cost.
    1. Fritz Z24's Avatar
      Fritz Z24 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Eug View Post
      No. Fido's offering is still a fail.

      Fido's plan doesn't include any voicemail at all. It also doesn't include international SMS or MMS. So that means if you want to match the Koodo deal, it's $50 per month, not $45.

      Fido, lose that lame Spotify, so you can drop your plan cost.
      This probably not good for you, but the deal with $45.00 Price Plan + $05.00 Value Pack along with Free Spotify Premium + Daily Vice might be excellent for tons of others...

      At the end of the day $240.00 worth of Premium Live Stream or 02.00 Fidodollars/Month X 24 Months= 48 Fidodollars...

      Easy to sale to several subscribers...
    1. CGY Guy's Avatar
      CGY Guy -
      Finding what your needs are is the biggest thing for a plan. If you like to stream, then the answer is clear. If not, choose something else. It doesn't get much easier.
    1. Eug's Avatar
      Eug -
      Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Z24 View Post
      This probably not good for you, but the deal with $45.00 Price Plan + $05.00 Value Pack along with Free Spotify Premium + Daily Vice might be excellent for tons of others...

      At the end of the day $240.00 worth of Premium Live Stream or 02.00 Fidodollars/Month X 24 Months= 48 Fidodollars...

      Easy to sale to several subscribers...
      Judging by the various forums, the vast majority of people consider Fido's offer a major fail compared to Koodo's and Virgin's plans.

      Remember also that those who are unsure, looking to just try out Spotify can sign up for $0.99 for three months regardless of the carrier. However, the Spotify option is a useless for most of us, esp since Fido's offering doesn't actually include the data usage.
    1. Fritz Z24's Avatar
      Fritz Z24 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Eug View Post
      ... Remember also that those who are unsure, looking to just try out Spotify can sign up for $0.99 for three months regardless of the carrier. However, the Spotify option is a useless for most of us, esp since Fido's offering doesn't actually include the data usage.
      You already know why this can't be Internet Free, thank's to net neutrality... Therefore Spotify will use Data Regardless the carrier...

      Anyways, Fido shifting market, like it or not...
    1. ceredon's Avatar
      ceredon -
      If you're looking for the better value in wireless services then Fido is a fail and Koodo is better, obviously. If you'd prefer "value" without actually adding value by way adding of non-wireless related things, then Fido might be better. Might.

      I'm still waiting for an onion. If Guy really wants to take it up a notch and add value without adding value, then Fido needs to include an onion.
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