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    Quote Originally Posted by Volaris View Post
    That sounds normal if there's only 5x5 band 25 in your area. Remember that a ton of Sprint customers have unlimited data, so they can watch all the videos they want. That and their prepaid customers have generous data amounts to use.

    5x5 will only allow 37Mbps - share that with 10 people at the same time and you're already in the 3Mbps range. In my 5x5 1900MHz LTE only town I've never seen over 10Mbps. During off peak times I get near 10Mbps, but during very busy times (afternoons/evenings) I can go as low as 0.5Mbps. In cities with Spark I've gotten over 15Mbps often even during afternoons/evening.
    Wow. I guess I'll just stay with Verizon if there we only have 5x5 of 1900.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket101 View Post
    i really wanted them to buy Nextel and kept a nationwide coverage wonder why they dont build out thie IDEN network?, IDEN PTT system can not be beat!
    Amen to that.

    It seems so strange to me that iDEN is at least a 20-year-old design by now, the last real upgrade to Nextel's iDEN was the 6:1 vocoder thing over ten years ago, yet in spite of the fact that all of the US carriers have essentially all-new networks now, and the phones todya are at least 10X as "smart" as the old Moto iDEN handsets, yet none of the PTT emulator systems available today holds a candle to iDEN PTT. All of today's power, all of today's advancements, and yet none of them can touch the ancient iDEN when it comes to PTT service. Also, the speakerphone microphones on the old, simple Moto iDEN flip phones still beat the pants off of any of today's modern phones (some of today's phones have loud enough speakers, but none of them have decent mics in speakerphone mode). Kind of boggles the mind.

    When Sprint bought Nextel everyone was running around yakking that the business couldn't be workable with two network technologies, so iDEN had to go, and it had to go now. Yet no one even bats an eye that today all of the carriers have two networks apiece running in parallel at all times (their 3G systems and their 4G systems), and they will all have two networks running simultaneously for many years to come. I wonder where all of those commentators and "business experts" are today, and why they aren't still running around clamoring for all of the carriers to shut down their 3G networks ASAP because "the business can't be profitable with two incompatible networks". If Sprint was smart, which Sprint obviously is not, it would have kept a fraction of the iDEN system intact (and hopefully modernized during NV) to be dedicated to PTT calls only, with all voice & data running over 3G or 4G, at least until someone could develop a PTT system running on 4G that equaled iDEN.

    "Can't possibly be profitable running two networks at the same time." It was a load of crap then, and it's a load of crap now...it's just too bad that iDEN & Nextel took the hit when it wasn't strictly necessary (or wise).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDC_01 View Post

    Amen to that.

    It seems so strange to me that iDEN is at least a 20-year-old design by now, the last real upgrade to Nextel's iDEN was the 6:1 vocoder thing over ten years ago, yet in spite of the fact that all of the US carriers have essentially all-new networks now, and the phones todya are at least 10X as "smart" as the old Moto iDEN handsets, yet none of the PTT emulator systems available today holds a candle to iDEN PTT. All of today's power, all of today's advancements, and yet none of them can touch the ancient iDEN when it comes to PTT service. Also, the speakerphone microphones on the old, simple Moto iDEN flip phones still beat the pants off of any of today's modern phones (some of today's phones have loud enough speakers, but none of them have decent mics in speakerphone mode). Kind of boggles the mind.

    When Sprint bought Nextel everyone was running around yakking that the business couldn't be workable with two network technologies, so iDEN had to go, and it had to go now. Yet no one even bats an eye that today all of the carriers have two networks apiece running in parallel at all times (their 3G systems and their 4G systems), and they will all have two networks running simultaneously for many years to come. I wonder where all of those commentators and "business experts" are today, and why they aren't still running around clamoring for all of the carriers to shut down their 3G networks ASAP because "the business can't be profitable with two incompatible networks". If Sprint was smart, which Sprint obviously is not, it would have kept a fraction of the iDEN system intact (and hopefully modernized during NV) to be dedicated to PTT calls only, with all voice & data running over 3G or 4G, at least until someone could develop a PTT system running on 4G that equaled iDEN.

    "Can't possibly be profitable running two networks at the same time." It was a load of crap then, and it's a load of crap now...it's just too bad that iDEN & Nextel took the hit when it wasn't strictly necessary (or wise).
    Regarding PTT: IDEN had circuit switched data, which noone else uses - - Kodiak (AT&T PTT and the old Alltel) uses a hybrid, so it's the 'closest' - - they had dedicated PTT trunks whereas everyone else runs it over the internet (maybe not the public internet, but it's handled by IP)... IDEN

    The next to go is circuit switched voice, which pretty much everyone uses unless they are on VoLTE - - once VoLTE goes mainstream, the carriers will be killing as much circuit switched voice as they can. VoIP is cheaper to run and maintain... Unfortunately it requires VERY robust data, and the coverage is limited to LTE, not 1x or EDGE, which are narrower bands and thus better coverage... So call quality and coverage will go down before it goes up - - they have to build up the networks for this.

    As for two separate networks, unfortunately IDEN doesn't play with others... At all. It's it's own technology. LTE is part of the GSM group of technologies, so it's more of an 'upgrade', and they came up with a stack to bridge compatibility between LTE and CDMA so it's more compatible.

    IDEN required essentially separate everything - - and required they maintained a circuit switched data network... Also there were no IDEN/LTE phones, the few IDEN/CDMA phones they came out with were total flops, and there were no iconic phones - - there was a Blackberry Bold and an old Android and that was about it.

    So realistically IDEN was a LOT more effort to maintain, especially when they could use the 800 mhz. band for LTE, which they have.

    Sprint made their choice to kill PTT in the name of LTE, which they did... I still think they could have done a MUCH better job doing it, and waited a while longer til othey could have made a smooth transition from IDEN to CDMA/LTE (kept the brands and networks completely separate while they put CDMA on every IDEN site and overall did a better job of picking sites to upgrade between the 2 networks than they did) but it didn't work out that way. Nextel is long dead. Nothing bring it back. People have moved on from PTT - - if you really need it, you can get it from every carrier now, and there's also MotoTalk which is carrier agnostic, and the closest 'experience' to IDEN, while AT&T uses Kodiak which is the closest performance (they use a circuit switched voice channel, with IP for the channel control).

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    NG, thanks for the reply. You misconstrued it slightly...I know as well as anyone that iDEN is gone for good, my point there was that is seems ridiculous that nothing is as good as iDEN't PTT, despite all of the capability that is inherent in the brand-new, high-speed networks and computer-based smartphones we all carry now. THAT's the amazing thing. I don't care it the technology is iDEN or if it's IP-based VoLTE or if it's some alien technology powered running on green cheese, it's the PERFORMANCE that I care about. I only compare to iDEN because that was the high-water mark of PTT performance, and nothing today, despite massive advancements in technology, has equaled it. So don't misconstrue my post as wating iDEN back per se, rather wanting iDEN's PERFORMANCE back.

    We currently are using ESChat (http://www.sla-ptt.com/), a paid service ($5/mo) on our Android & iOS phones, and it does quite well, but still quite not as quick nor reliable as iDEN PTT was. We tried a few of the other PTT apps (Zello, Voxer, Prip) but ESChat so far has been the best for us.

    I still say it's ironic, if not hypocritical, that when Sprint bought iDEN there was a constant drumbeat that it was not possible to be profitable while maintaining the two networks, while there is no such talk today in spite of the fact that every single carrier in the US is currently maintaining two separate networks. Also, Nextel was very as a profitable standalone company, and if Sprint had been smart they would have let it keep running profitably in standalone mode, until such time as BOTH Sprint & Nextel's legacy networks could be replaced with a viable alternative and merged into the hoped-for single network technology.

    The people running Sprint are just plain being stupid, and their track record since at least the early 2000's supports that statement completely. Many BILLIONS of dollars and YEARS of customer angst spent on "Network Vision", owning more spectrum than any other carrier in the US, 15 MILLION former high-value Nextel customers driven away, and what do they have to show for all that financial & human capital spent? LAST PLACE OVERALL, and now going back to Softbank to beg for billions more dollars to try and get their network right "this time". Sprint is the very definition of pathetic...no amount of repurposed 800 MHz or gobs of 2.5 GHz will save them from themselves. Better to let T-Mo take over Sprint and put the network resources to good use, putting Sprint out of its misery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDC_01 View Post
    It seems so strange to me that iDEN is at least a 20-year-old design by now, the last real upgrade to Nextel's iDEN was the 6:1 vocoder thing over ten years ago, yet in spite of the fact that all of the US carriers have essentially all-new networks now, and the phones todya are at least 10X as "smart" as the old Moto iDEN handsets, yet none of the PTT emulator systems available today holds a candle to iDEN PTT. All of today's power, all of today's advancements, and yet none of them can touch the ancient iDEN when it comes to PTT service. Also, the speakerphone microphones on the old, simple Moto iDEN flip phones still beat the pants off of any of today's modern phones (some of today's phones have loud enough speakers, but none of them have decent mics in speakerphone mode). Kind of boggles the mind.
    Used to annoy the c*ap out of me when I was eating in some restaurant and some jackwagon's iDEN phone would squawk then shout some message for the whole restaurant to hear, then he'd shout back, each exchange being accompanied by a loud squawk.
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    Absolutely agree...that behavior is rude, inconsiderate, annoying and completely unnecessary - that was a case of a certain percentage of people misusing a perfectly good technology and spoiling it for everyone else.

    The same percentage of clueless people exist today (more, probably), using their iPhones in speakerphone mode in public places, texting after the light turns green while the last few of us that could have made it through miss the light, people stopping mid-sentence during a one-on-one conversation to look at the text that just came in, etc., etc.

    We were recently in a cafe, an elderly couple came in while engaged a speakerphone conversation with their daughter, placed their order, sat down at the table next to us, and proceeded to have the entire conversation with their iPhone set on the table in speakerphone mode, while they enjoyed their meal (and the rest of us either did not enjoy our dinners, or were entertained by their cluelessness and wondering if their daughter knew that everything she said was being heard by at least ten complete strangers). So although I'm absolutely not excusing the past bad behavior of PTT cretins, I must point out it's a people problem not a technology problem. Idiots are idiots no matter what they are doing, clueless and arrogant people are always going to behave in clueless/arrogant ways, and the bell curve tells you that a certain percentage of the population will be rude or annoying or dangerous no matter what their activity, or the technology in their hand.

    Nextel promoted & encouraged responsible, considerate use of PTT, to the end that they had a physical button on top of every PTT phone, designed specifically to be pressed when the user was in a public space or a meeting or whatever place it was inappropriate to let the caller's voice come through. You could access the button even while the phones were holstered...one quick press with the thumb when entering the room put them into quiet mode, one quick press of the button when returning to their vehicle or wherever put the phones back into squawk mode, which is perfectly appropriate when they are in their vehicles or workplaces. So the problem was that certain percentage of morons who failed to use the quiet-mode button, and by the way, those very same morons today are the ones using their iPhones in equally annoying ways outlined above, just without the chirp.

    But getting back to the point of the previous post...Sprint's mismanagement of the 800 MHz and 2.5 GHz spectrum...an ongoing tragedy.

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    800Mhz 1X and LTE are live now in the Birmingham, Alabama market (coinciding with SouthernLINC who also uses SMR), so I am not sure if they are running 3+3Mhz LTE or what. Speed's with full signal are about 8Mbps though, and my voice call coverage is now has significant improvement.. We still have no sign of Spark though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireless Junkie View Post
    800Mhz 1X and LTE are live now in the Birmingham, Alabama market (coinciding with SouthernLINC who also uses SMR), so I am not sure if they are running 3+3Mhz LTE or what. Speed's with full signal are about 8Mbps though, and my voice call coverage is now has significant improvement.. We still have no sign of Spark though.

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    I'd be curious if you are 3*3 as well... I'd heard they actually were able to get away with 5*5 in a number of areas rather than 3*3 by making less of a guard band between LTE and 1x... Not sure if that works in SoLinc areas though.

    Either way, any 800 is good news, especially when it's LTE.
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    LTE 800 just doesn't reach out like 1X, so a lot of places its just like T-Mobile did with their band 2 and they fall to edge, here I'm so far away from the site I don't get EVDO, but voice and text are good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireless Junkie View Post
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    LTE 800 just doesn't reach out like 1X, so a lot of places its just like T-Mobile did with their band 2 and they fall to edge, here I'm so far away from the site I don't get EVDO, but voice and text are good

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    ...and honestly that's better than nothing. Were you roaming before? At least your battery life will be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NGeorge View Post
    ...and honestly that's better than nothing. Were you roaming before? At least your battery life will be better.
    Yes definitely, I was roaming all the time and they have not built any new sites around here at all so that means the 800 helped a lot along with RRU.

    This is also in Sprint prepaid $55 with 6GB of rolling data on their promo plan from Best Buy. I cancelled postpaid because I have T-Mobile, and Verizon for work so no need to pay for all the taxes nor unlimited.

    Same speeds as native it seems, and 50 voice roaming minutes. I also have Spark on the Moto E which is on sale at BestBuy for about $70.

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