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    Verizon's Band 2 PCS LTE Deployment

    It's that time of the year when Verizon pulls out a surprise. It looks like we have first reports of Verizon's 1900MHz LTE activity from Cleveland, OH. This is Verizon's third LTE layer, after 700 upper C block (Band 13) and AWS (Band 4). This info comes from S4GRU community, a site that everyone should check out as they have plenty of very useful technical information, mostly about Sprint.

    At the moment, it appears that in Cleveland market Verizon is initially using only 10MHz (out of 30MHz) for 5MHz FDD LTE, but as the LTE capacity demand grows over time, we should probably expect that channel widening.



    In my market of NYC, Verizon holds 40MHz of contiguous PCS spectrum, and 20MHz of CDMA/EVDO has already been shut down, making room for (hopefully soon) 10MHz FDD LTE rollout.

    Here is a 20MHz downlink sweep of Verizon's PCS holding in NYC, 1970MHz - 1990MHz. We can clearly see only 10MHz used for Downlink CDMA operations 1970-1980MHz, while 1980-1990MHz is innactive:



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    OMG OMG OMG OMG !!!!! Yes yes yes!!!!! this is soon awesome

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    Earlier than 2015! Awesome news!

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    and just looking again at the screenshot...that was a month ago already. wow

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    Yup! Be on the lookout!

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    Cool, does Verizon have a lot of band 2 spectrum nationwide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiredGuy View Post
    Cool, does Verizon have a lot of band 2 spectrum nationwide?
    Mixed bag from 0 to upwards of 40 MHz. They have been working on acquiring more here and there plus making their existing blocks contiguous with various swaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milan03 View Post
    It's that time of the year when Verizon pulls out a surprise. It looks like we have first reports of Verizon's 1900MHz LTE activity from Cleveland, OH.
    Sounds similar to my area. Last time I checked, Verizon only had one CDMA carrier running in the downtown Baton Rouge area on their PCS band of 15x15mhz. I was always wondering when they were going to throw a 10x10mhz LTE downlink there. AT&T is now running 3 10x10mhz LTE channels here (B17/B4/B2), so I figured it was only a matter of time for VZW. Even saw some permits for AT&T penta-band LTE sites (B17/B4/B2/B5/B30) recently. I did hear VZW is listing 850mhz LTE as future deployment in their permits in some areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digiblur View Post
    Sounds similar to my area. Last time I checked, Verizon only had one CDMA carrier running in the downtown Baton Rouge area on their PCS band of 15x15mhz. I was always wondering when they were going to throw a 10x10mhz LTE downlink there. AT&T is now running 3 10x10mhz LTE channels here (B17/B4/B2), so I figured it was only a matter of time for VZW. Even saw some permits for AT&T penta-band LTE sites (B17/B4/B2/B5/B30) recently. I did hear VZW is listing 850mhz LTE as future deployment in their permits in some areas.
    They are both definitely keeping their options open so they don't have to go through additional planning review, etc. Don't forget LTE B29 on the $T side too paired with B30

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    Quote Originally Posted by digiblur View Post
    Sounds similar to my area. Last time I checked, Verizon only had one CDMA carrier running in the downtown Baton Rouge area on their PCS band of 15x15mhz. I was always wondering when they were going to throw a 10x10mhz LTE downlink there. AT&T is now running 3 10x10mhz LTE channels here (B17/B4/B2), so I figured it was only a matter of time for VZW. Even saw some permits for AT&T penta-band LTE sites (B17/B4/B2/B5/B30) recently. I did hear VZW is listing 850mhz LTE as future deployment in their permits in some areas.
    Band 5 would be great for areas they installed band 13 on lower antenna racks (lack of space up top I assume).
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    What devices will support lte on 1900 mhz? I guess iphone 5s, 6 and 6+

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomic50 View Post
    They are both definitely keeping their options open so they don't have to go through additional planning review, etc. Don't forget LTE B29 on the $T side too paired with B30
    Didn't forget it, I was looking for it but didn't see it. Figured I would see some band 29 before band 30 since there are at least a couple of phones on the street that support it.

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    So what will Verizon's new band preferability setting be? (Probably not the technical name but you get the point hopefully) I know currently any phone that supports band 4 will always prefer it over band 13 if the signal is strong enough. Band 2 and band 4 are both high frequency, so their propagation characteristics will be similar. When there is both a band 2 and 4 signal available, which will a phone that is capable of both pick? I would guess band 2 because less phones are capable of it. Kinda sucks for the speed hunters becuause band 2 won't have as much bandwith as band 4. In a lot of areas, Verizon owns enough AWS for 20x20, but I'm guessing there will be a good amount of initial 5x5 band 2 deployments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack584 View Post
    When there is both a band 2 and 4 signal available, which will a phone that is capable of both pick?
    Once carrier aggregation is active, the phone can pick both!

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    What is the benefit of Band2 ?

    Does Band2 provide higher speeds , but less signal similar to band4?

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