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    Quote Originally Posted by fraydog View Post
    Clearly there's something T-Mobile is doing right since they are gaining users at a rapid clip while the rest of the industry is stagnant. Cue "but they are prepaid/low revenue users" rhetoric like it matters which is tiresome and silly considering people overpaying for duopoly services is what makes those companies fat and unresponsive.

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    Yea....they are offering discount service with little to no credit requirements and letting people do things like pay off accessories on an eip agreement...wouldn't call that sound business. Remember rent a center is a million dollar corporation also, as is the the title loan and payday loan business. There is a market for it. Just not solid business for long term. You keep saying overpay for service but is it overpaying if it works? I don't care if T-Mobile paid me to use the service. If it doesnt work half the time I need it to it costs to much. To me T-Mobile is way overpriced. See how that works?

    You would see a huge increase in new home purchases if banks all of a sudden discounted them heavily and had almost no credit requirements. Actually they tried that once. How'd that turn out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRNewcomb View Post
    Most people who are happy with T-Mobile's service are satisfied with whatever coverage they already have. Some are aware that issues with rural coverage have been a major factor in limiting T-Mobile's growth. Not so much because a lot of people live there but rather because most residents of urban/suburban markets visit rural areas and want mobile phone service when they get there. Urbanites who never visit the country are just to small a niche market to be sustainable. So, when a T-Mobile user say, "You only need coverage in the places you visit." and "I'm happy T-Mobile is building out 700 MHz to cover more rural areas." in the same breath, they are not being hypocritical. They're being realistic.
    When they go into a sprint forum and then make the argument that sprint doesn't have rural coverage or sprint coverage stinks that's being pretty hypocritical there. T-Mobile coverage has issues also. It's not like there is a huge difference between the 2 they both have coverage issues. So a sprint user can make the same "it works where I need it to" argument also. It's laughable when a T-Mobile user posts in a sprint forum complaining about sprint coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorio102 View Post
    ...... It's laughable when a T-Mobile user posts in a sprint forum complaining about sprint coverage.
    I agree, unless they also have Sprint service on another line. Don't worry, there are trolls who show up on the T-Mobile forums just to take any cheap shot they can at T-Mobile. (Disgruntled ex employees, maybe?) Sprint and T-Mobile have different approaches to roaming engendered by their different technologies. Both have limitations. However, while T-Mobile seems to be rolling out their low band service as quickly as possible, wherever possible, it's very frustrating to hear reports of Sprint's stalling the pace of their low-band deployment. I've only read a few folks say they'd like to see Sprint go under. Most seem to hope Sprint recovers and does well. Everyone seems to know that to accomplish that, they need to be deploying their low-band service as rapidly as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRNewcomb View Post
    I agree, unless they also have Sprint service on another line. Don't worry, there are trolls who show up on the T-Mobile forums just to take any cheap shot they can at T-Mobile. (Disgruntled ex employees, maybe?) Sprint and T-Mobile have different approaches to roaming engendered by their different technologies. Both have limitations. However, while T-Mobile seems to be rolling out their low band service as quickly as possible, wherever possible, it's very frustrating to hear reports of Sprint's stalling the pace of their low-band deployment. I've only read a few folks say they'd like to see Sprint go under. Most seem to hope Sprint recovers and does well. Everyone seems to know that to accomplish that, they need to be deploying their low-band service as rapidly as possible.
    Yes true. The disconnect and issue arises though when you have t mobile fanboys comment on every single post on every other forum then they cry like 4 year old girls if someone brings up anything negative about t mobile. Look at this thread. T mobile may have the most bombastic truth stretching CEO in business today. Instead of making 4 page manifestos on how their own CEO may stretch the truth....they make them on another forum where Sprint posted test results that out them ahead someplace. Lol seriously. T mobile has a CEO crying up and down "oh we're were the same as Verizon and AT&T oh we are this and that". Where are the manifestos from the people paying him for his service calling him out? No it's much more important to post on other forums instead of calling your own guy out in the b.s. he spews.

    Then the overpriced comments T mobile fanboys LOVE to cry. Well honestly the only person who can say if a service is overpriced is the person paying for the service. If something works and a cheaper option doesnt...to that person the cheaper option would be the overpriced one. There is an old saying with cars. If you buy a cheap car it usually comes with cheap car problems. That holds true to a lot of things in life

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorio102 View Post
    Yes true. The disconnect and issue arises though when you have t mobile fanboys comment on every single post on every other forum then they cry like 4 year old girls if someone brings up anything negative about t mobile. .....
    Well, lennyj17 did kind of ask for it with the title of this thread, particularly when you look into the report originally cited the "profits" touted seemed quite, shall we say, "illusory". One might say that this whole thread was just so much flame bait.

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    Are you saying only Sprint users are qualified to comment on Sprint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRNewcomb View Post
    Well, lennyj17 did kind of ask for it with the title of this thread, particularly when you look into the report originally cited the "profits" touted seemed quite, shall we say, "illusory". One might say that this whole thread was just so much flame bait.
    As are 90% of the posts in the t mobile forums about how great coverage is. Just curious what did their earnings report have to do with some fastest network claim? I know you didn't make the post but see....thats the problem. Anybody could easily go into every t mobile post and post a legere lie or half truth or major coverage issue or anything. But if someone does that the t mobile cry patrol shows up with whyyyyyy whyyyy. Funny thing is half of them post here to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRNewcomb View Post
    Well, lennyj17 did kind of ask for it with the title of this thread, particularly when you look into the report originally cited the "profits" touted seemed quite, shall we say, "illusory". One might say that this whole thread was just so much flame bait.
    Indeed. It is exactly as you described - flame bait

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorio102 View Post
    As are 90% of the posts in the t mobile forums about how great coverage is. Just curious what did their earnings report have to do with some fastest network claim? I know you didn't make the post but see....thats the problem. Anybody could easily go into every t mobile post and post a legere lie or half truth or major coverage issue or anything. But if someone does that the t mobile cry patrol shows up with whyyyyyy whyyyy. Funny thing is half of them post here to...
    I'd like to see your thoughts on Sprint. Would you mind posting a comment about Sprint and only Sprint. I'm talking about a comment that doesn't include the word "T-Mobile" or "fanboy" anywhere in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibbin View Post
    I'd like to see your thoughts on Sprint. Would you mind posting a comment about Sprint and only Sprint. I'm talking about a comment that doesn't include the word "T-Mobile" or "fanboy" anywhere in it.
    I've posted my thoughts on sprint. Their biggest issue isn't coverage or people leaving. People arent leaving they have added customers the last few quarters. They have more users now than ever before. So this people are leaving in droves lie is just that. Their issue is their impending debt issues. It's what keeps their stock down. Its what hampers them by always hanging over their head. They are in a good place ownership wise as they have someone who clearly won't abandon them and is willing to do what it takes to turn them around. That says a lot. Other companies can't say that. I think the focus on postpaid is a good one. I'm tired or hearing any customer is a good customer. This just isn't true. Give me 5 postpaid customers I know will be around for a bit with an average bill of 90 bucks over 20 prepaid users who spend 35 dollars a month and will leave once another company has a port in special any day. There is a difference in customer classes and for some reason that bothers people. I don't think sprint is in as bad as shape as the doom and gloom people here say they are. If they can get their debt issues figured out they will be fine. If not then Softbank may have to explore other options. It's as simple as that. 5 guys who for some odd reason love a carrier so much they feel it's an actual life choice, btw which is just weird, posting that they won't or can't do it really won't change if they will or won't. Nobody really reads these forums anyway so really,and this goes for what I say about another carrier to, who cares what anyone's opinion of another carrier is.


    Customer wise they are OK. Yea they slipped to 4th but postpaid they are neck and neck with the 3rd provider, with a higher arpu. The difference between customer count between sprint and the 3rd place carrier is the 3rd place carrier has more users on their prepaid division than sprint has on there's. That's it. How stable really is that? How reliable is that for a customer base for the 3rd place carrier to stay 3rd? So could sprint eventually regain 3rd place? Sure. But they have to seriously figure out their debt issues first. Again they do that they will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorio102 View Post
    I've posted my thoughts on sprint. Their biggest issue isn't coverage or people leaving. People arent leaving they have added customers the last few quarters. They have more users now than ever before. So this people are leaving in droves lie is just that. Their issue is their impending debt issues. It's what keeps their stock down. Its what hampers them by always hanging over their head. They are in a good place ownership wise as they have someone who clearly won't abandon them and is willing to do what it takes to turn them around. That says a lot. Other companies can't say that. I think the focus on postpaid is a good one. I'm tired or hearing any customer is a good customer. This just isn't true. Give me 5 postpaid customers I know will be around for a bit with an average bill of 90 bucks over 20 prepaid users who spend 35 dollars a month and will leave once another company has a port in special any day. There is a difference in customer classes and for some reason that bothers people. I don't think sprint is in as bad as shape as the doom and gloom people here say they are. If they can get their debt issues figured out they will be fine. If not then Softbank may have to explore other options. It's as simple as that. 5 guys who for some odd reason love a carrier so much they feel it's an actual life choice, btw which is just weird, posting that they won't or can't do it really won't change if they will or won't. Nobody really reads these forums anyway so really,and this goes for what I say about another carrier to, who cares what anyone's opinion of another carrier is.
    Thanks for your comments on Sprint. Allow me to pose a few follow-up questions.

    1. You say Sprint's primary issue is their impending debt issues. I agree with that and clearly they've made major financial and structural adjustments designed to address just that. However, it just doesn't seem to be enough. What further steps would you suggest they take to lessen the impact of such high debt levels?

    2. You say, unlike other companies (?), under the ownership of Softbank, ". . . they have someone who clearly won't abandon them and is willing to do what it takes to turn them around. (bold added for emphasis) What do you base such an opinion on? Didn't Son have feelers out for potential buyer of Sprint at one point? Whatever happened to all of those Softbank engineers sent from Japan to help Sprint better deploy all that 2.5 spectrum they have? Is Junichi Miyakawa still under Sprint's employ? Softbank is interested in making profits from Sprint. There's no altruism involved here, it's strictly business.

    3. You say, "I'm tired or hearing any customer is a good customer. This just isn't true. Give me 5 postpaid customers I know will be around for a bit with an average bill of 90 bucks over 20 prepaid users who spend 35 dollars a month and will leave once another company has a port in special any day." Here's the thing. While I will agree that focusing on postpaid is the preferred path to take, you have to recognize that the way it's setup today, postpaid customers can pack up and leave just as easily as prepaid customers. The competition is more than willing to help them do just that. Postpaid customer tenure is not guaranteed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibbin View Post
    Thanks for your comments on Sprint. Allow me to pose a few follow-up questions.

    1. You say Sprint's primary issue is their impending debt issues. I agree with that and clearly they've made major financial and structural adjustments designed to address just that. However, it just doesn't seem to be enough. What further steps would you suggest they take to lessen the impact of such high debt levels?

    2. You say, unlike other companies (?), under the ownership of Softbank, ". . . they have someone who clearly won't abandon them and is willing to do what it takes to turn them around. (bold added for emphasis) What do you base such an opinion on? Didn't Son have feelers out for potential buyer of Sprint at one point? Whatever happened to all of those Softbank engineers sent from Japan to help Sprint better deploy all that 2.5 spectrum they have? Is Junichi Miyakawa still under Sprint's employ? Softbank is interested in making profits from Sprint. There's no altruism involved here, it's strictly business.

    3. You say, "I'm tired or hearing any customer is a good customer. This just isn't true. Give me 5 postpaid customers I know will be around for a bit with an average bill of 90 bucks over 20 prepaid users who spend 35 dollars a month and will leave once another company has a port in special any day." Here's the thing. While I will agree that focusing on postpaid is the preferred path to take, you have to recognize that the way it's setup today, postpaid customers can pack up and leave just as easily as prepaid customers. The competition is more than willing to help them do just that. Postpaid customer tenure is not guaranteed.
    Ok I'll take them one at a time.

    1. That's a tough question, obviously it would start with downsizing. No if ands or buts. They have to downsize in order to grow. It involves stuff such as layoffs, which I saw people rip on here. But it has to be done. You have to cut expenses. I don't know all of sprints financials so it's hard to pinpoint exactly where but even small things. Hell don't they have a sprawling campus in overland park? Downsize that. You have to raise capital to pay off these debts. It's what's killing their financials. I know they spend a lot of money on network improvements and they have to continue that, but they need to cut somewhere. Their creative financing deals, like Softbank loaning against sprints spectrum, are bold. I'll give them that. If it works its a genius move. But as in anything,and again without knowing their actual spending and where it goes, they need to find a way to spend less then they are taking in.

    2. Well any smart business man would always listen to offers. He wouldn't be doing his job or be the businessman he is if he didn't. Every business is always for sale. It's just how it is so that you can't hold against anyone, nor does it show any weakness or disinterest in sprint. It's just business, as you said yourself. But his words say he's committed to sprint. Of course it's to make a profit but he could sell off the spectrum and he would get close to his investment back. You're dealing with a different culture also. He doesn't want to fail. Yea I'm sure some of what he says is business mumbo jumbo but it wasn't that long ago he made a huge investment into sprint buying up the remaining shares he could. The spectrum loan again is a big business move on his part that probably he had to go to bat for hard to get approved. So his actions say he is invested also. The other questions I won't try to answer because I don't know.

    3. Postpaid really isn't set up to leave any easier than it was before. You got to remember the overwhelming vast majority of postpaid customers take out e.i.p. agreements on devices. These need to be paid off before they leave. Now I know carriers offered we will pay off this or that, but most people on postpaid just don't leave. Thats why postpaid churn rates for all 4 carriers are at either record or near record lows. Verizon's is .9%. these customers tend to be more stable, both responsible wise and financial wise, they obviously tend to be more loyal, I don't know if that's because they feel it's a credit thing or what but again the churn numbers don't lie. Postpaid customers stay. Prepaid churns are generally around 4-6% for the carriers. That's a huge difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorio102 View Post
    letting people do things like pay off accessories on an eip agreement...wouldn't call that sound business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorio102 View Post
    Ok I'll take them one at a time.

    1. That's a tough question, obviously it would start with downsizing. No if ands or buts. They have to downsize in order to grow. It involves stuff such as layoffs, which I saw people rip on here. But it has to be done. You have to cut expenses. I don't know all of sprints financials so it's hard to pinpoint exactly where but even small things. Hell don't they have a sprawling campus in overland park? Downsize that. You have to raise capital to pay off these debts. It's what's killing their financials. I know they spend a lot of money on network improvements and they have to continue that, but they need to cut somewhere. Their creative financing deals, like Softbank loaning against sprints spectrum, are bold. I'll give them that. If it works its a genius move. But as in anything,and again without knowing their actual spending and where it goes, they need to find a way to spend less then they are taking in.

    2. Well any smart business man would always listen to offers. He wouldn't be doing his job or be the businessman he is if he didn't. Every business is always for sale. It's just how it is so that you can't hold against anyone, nor does it show any weakness or disinterest in sprint. It's just business, as you said yourself. But his words say he's committed to sprint. Of course it's to make a profit but he could sell off the spectrum and he would get close to his investment back. You're dealing with a different culture also. He doesn't want to fail. Yea I'm sure some of what he says is business mumbo jumbo but it wasn't that long ago he made a huge investment into sprint buying up the remaining shares he could. The spectrum loan again is a big business move on his part that probably he had to go to bat for hard to get approved. So his actions say he is invested also. The other questions I won't try to answer because I don't know.

    3. Postpaid really isn't set up to leave any easier than it was before. You got to remember the overwhelming vast majority of postpaid customers take out e.i.p. agreements on devices. These need to be paid off before they leave. Now I know carriers offered we will pay off this or that, but most people on postpaid just don't leave. Thats why postpaid churn rates for all 4 carriers are at either record or near record lows. Verizon's is .9%. these customers tend to be more stable, both responsible wise and financial wise, they obviously tend to be more loyal, I don't know if that's because they feel it's a credit thing or what but again the churn numbers don't lie. Postpaid customers stay. Prepaid churns are generally around 4-6% for the carriers. That's a huge difference.
    Thank you gregorio102 for those well thought-out responses. I can understand your perspective on everything except the post-paid issue. You attribute financial characteristics to prepaid customers that I don't. On that we'll agree to disagree. Also, I 'm of the opinion that Softbank can do much much more to alleviate Sprint's woes. Son talked a good game in getting Sprint. He's had ample time but has yet to show and prove.

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