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    T-Mobile & Sprint Just Told the FCC They Can't Keep Competing Separately

    Maybe, Sprint should file for Chapter 11 now to help push this merger deal through even faster.... This hints that there will be price increases if the meger isn't approved. That is very realistic since Sprint is so deep in debt and they can't stay in business giving away free mobile service of a year or for even $15 a month like they have done over the last year just to get new customers.

    T-Mobile and Sprint Just Told the FCC They Can't Keep Competing Separately

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    Maybe, Sprint should file for Chapter 11 now to help push this merger deal through even faster.... This hints that there will be price increases if the meger isn't approved. That is very realistic since Sprint is so deep in debt and they can't stay in business giving away free mobile service of a year or for even $15 a month like they have done over the last year just to get new customers.

    T-Mobile and Sprint Just Told the FCC They Can't Keep Competing Separately
    Interesting article by a writer who does not understand the technology. Though the conclusion is about the same in spite of the inaccuracies.

    "The smaller carriers are in no position to keep up their aggressive strategies."

    Wrong! Sprint is not executing an aggressive strategy, except on paper and corporate (fluff) statements.

    "Sprint holds a bunch of 2.5 GHz spectrum, which is great for delivering fast internet speeds."

    Sort of true. It is the bunch of spectrum (bandwidth) that is good for speed, not the frequency itself. The carrying capacity of a channel is dependent only on bandwidth and noise. The frequency has nothing to do with it.

    "It [T-mo] holds a good amount of low-band and mid-band spectrum, which are great for carrying signals long distances and producing relatively fast speeds, but they won't provide the low-latency expected of 5G networks."

    Wrong! Latency is dependent on the speed of light and the delays in the network gear that the communication passes through. 5G is designed to be less regardless of the frequency used over the air. The speed of light is the same at 600 MHz or 28 GHz. Most of the latency is in the network gear - routers, etc.

    "AT&T and Verizon will have a strong competitor on their hands if T-Mobile and Sprint succeed in their merger. That said, they'll also have one less competitor, and one that's less aggressive in its efforts to scale its customer base,..."

    I disagree with this conclusion. T-Mo's corporate culture is to be aggressive. That can change, but I expect T-Sprint to continue aggressive expansion. The bean counters will have input about the return on investment of expansion.

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    So which one is the lie?

    A. T-Mobile is as good or better than Verizon, and we are more sustainable and doing so much better than "dumb and dumber"!

    Or

    B. T-Mobile isn't sustainable on its on, and we have a significant amount of time before we are nearly as good or competitive as Verizon.

    More smoke and mirrors from Legere. He's just pulling wool over everyone's eyes, and he will probably retire once this is over. Is this global crossing again Legere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CircuitSwitched View Post
    So which one is the lie?

    A. T-Mobile is as good or better than Verizon, and we are more sustainable and doing so much better than "dumb and dumber"!

    Or

    B. T-Mobile isn't sustainable on its on, and we have a significant amount of time before we are nearly as good or competitive as Verizon.

    More smoke and mirrors from Legere. He's just pulling wool over everyone's eyes, and he will probably retire once this is over. Is this global crossing again Legere?
    A is marketing fluff. I don't expect that to be the pure unvarnished truth. There is a nugget of truth in there. T-Mo is as good or better than Verizon at some times and places. It's the in between that make T-Mo unusable for some.

    B sounds like a talking point for approval of the acquisition of Sprint. No pure unvarnished truth there either.

    Expecting absolute truth in marketing or business proposals is a fools errand.

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    T-Mobile and Sprint will have to raise prices even more without the merger to pay for all the current Debt and with more Debt to come building out 5G NR nationwide to try to compete with AT&T and Verizon. Without the merger both Sprint and T-Mobile are going to have to take on a lot more debt to build out 5G NR. The merger would help lower the cost of the 5G NR build out with the extra customers and extra spectrum that would eliminate Some of the need to spend as much money separately in the several upcoming FCC Spectrum auctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CircuitSwitched View Post
    So which one is the lie?

    A. T-Mobile is as good or better than Verizon, and we are more sustainable and doing so much better than "dumb and dumber"!

    Or

    B. T-Mobile isn't sustainable on its on, and we have a significant amount of time before we are nearly as good or competitive as Verizon.

    More smoke and mirrors from Legere. He's just pulling wool over everyone's eyes, and he will probably retire once this is over. Is this global crossing again Legere?

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    Why would Legere retire just before he makes AT&T the #3 network in the country? Make no mistake Legere wants to hurt both Verizon and AT&T and he also wants to pull the Un-Carrier on the TV distribution markets to cut their cords. Legere isn't going to retire before does a lot more damage to the other networks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CircuitSwitched View Post
    So which one is the lie?

    A. T-Mobile is as good or better than Verizon, and we are more sustainable and doing so much better than "dumb and dumber"!

    Or

    B. T-Mobile isn't sustainable on its on, and we have a significant amount of time before we are nearly as good or competitive as Verizon.

    More smoke and mirrors from Legere. He's just pulling wool over everyone's eyes, and he will probably retire once this is over. Is this global crossing again Legere?

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    Legere knows he has no chance of actually denting Verizon or At&t. Even if this merger passes it just makes them closer in customer count, in total revenue they still are a distant 3rd. At&t now owns the d.c. universe including all the d.c. movies, HBO, Turner Entertainment, Warner Bros., New Line cinema, and more. TMobile can never compete with that. All Legere is trying to do with this merger is set up his company and shareholders to make as much money as they can. That's it. The problem is we already have 2 companies that think that way, not sure we need 3. The time Warner merger, while likely will end up bad for consumers, was genius on at&t's part. Now no matter what platform people watch the content on, (dish, cable, sling, you tube tv, if TMobile ever launches layer3) at&t gets paid no matter what. Those platforms all will have to carry Turner content and HBO, so they all will have to pay at&t. Netflix and Hulu have to pay them for their movie library, anything from d.c. (at&t now owns Batman even lol) Warner Bros, new line cinema, any Turner owned movie.

    As far as the lies, I pointed this out and people went nuts. Their pre merger announcement claims and post merger claims are total contradictions. If the merger is blocked I'm sure they go back to claiming they didn't need the merger to begin with. Its definitely fair to judge them on what they said to the public both pre and post merger announcement and question the contradictions they made.
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    Yeah, I think Legere is in for the long haul. Think he's trying be up their with Henry Fords, Ed Whitacres, Steve Jobs, Lee Iacoccas, etc...

    Not done by a long shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wide_opeN View Post
    Yeah, I think Legere is in for the long haul. Think he's trying be up their with Henry Fords, Ed Whitacres, Steve Jobs, Lee Iacoccas, etc...

    Not done by a long shot.
    Agreed. In my opinion it would be short sighted for one of us here on HoFo to think he'd split right after the merger gets the DOJ blessing and wishful thinking for those among us who would prefer T-Mobile USA as a viable business competitor to fail.
    “The Internet wasn’t meant to be metered in bits and bytes, so it’s insane that wireless companies are still making you buy it this way. The rate plan is dead — it’s a fossil from a time when wireless was metered by every call or text.” John Legere 1/5/2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobdevnul View Post

    Expecting absolute truth in marketing or business proposals is a fools errand.
    Yes. Everyone please read the quote above and allow it to sink in for a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobdevnul View Post
    Expecting absolute truth in marketing or business proposals is a fools errand.
    Except they also bring up these points in their investor releases. If it was just a tv commercial I'd be much more inclined to agree, but when it's a public assault to misrepresent who you are, by misleading in public posts, on social media, to the print media, and in your investor reports, this becomes more than "marketing fluff".

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    Maybe, Sprint should file for Chapter 11 now to help push this merger deal through even faster.... This hints that there will be price increases if the meger isn't approved. That is very realistic since Sprint is so deep in debt and they can't stay in business giving away free mobile service of a year or for even $15 a month like they have done over the last year just to get new customers.

    T-Mobile and Sprint Just Told the FCC They Can't Keep Competing Separately
    Are there other examples of companies that have filed for Chapter 11 during a merger process? Very interesting concept.

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    All the carriers are guilty of throwing marketing bs around. The difference with T-Mobile that I think ticks us off is the fact that they are the uncarrier. At least for me, I told myself the uncarrier doesn't do that so it is disappointing in some ways

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylar_G View Post
    If it was just a tv commercial I'd be much more inclined to agree, but when it's a public assault to misrepresent who you are, by misleading in public posts, on social media, to the print media, and in your investor reports, this becomes more than "marketing fluff".
    A "public assault"? That sounds so serious. Misrepresentation? Misleading? Even in "investor reports" too? Please send all evidence of these serious transgressions by T-Mobile to the Securities and Exchange Commission ASAP.

    They pay some serious cash for this kind of information:

    “The SEC has issued nearly $90 million in whistleblower awards in the past month alone,” said Jane Norberg, Chief of the SEC’s Office of the Whistleblower. “As these awards demonstrate, we continue to receive high-quality information from whistleblowers, which we use to detect and prosecute securities violations and safeguard investors.”

    https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-64


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    Quote Originally Posted by jet1000 View Post
    A "public assault"? That sounds so serious. Misrepresentation? Misleading? Even in "investor reports" too? Please send all evidence of these serious transgressions by T-Mobile
    People could sure. Not sure why this is considered a negative. It's kind of like when someone complains about a politician and the only response another person has is "well why don't you just vote then". It's not a defense nor a negative. That's what they are there for. It's not like it would be the first time TMobile got in trouble for making misleading claims.

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