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    Quote Originally Posted by formercanuck View Post
    This is a good thing. I'm skeptical of how many local sites in my area will have band 71 initially. Probably very few, as speeds/coverage are quite good. Band 2/4 at College of the Canyons gave me 212Mbps.
    They’ve been upgrading about one every few months here. About 40 sites to go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoWirelessGuru View Post
    I was in the area of Aria, Caesars and in-between earlier this month. T-Mobile has quite a few small cells along the strip and DAS inside some of the resorts. I didn’t see any B71 where I was, but that band would typically be on long-range macro sites, not small cells.


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    How was the signal inside those hotels?

    The maps indicate that Las Vegas has a lot of band 71.

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiajay View Post
    How was the signal inside those hotels?

    The maps indicate that Las Vegas has a lot of band 71.
    Having band 71 in Vegas isn't much different than having band 12 in Vegas for signal.
    Signal varies depending on hotel / shopping area. I had decent service throughout Caesar's, MGM and Bellagio. Service was poor in the Wynn, and lower level of the Fashion Mall.
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    T-Mobile 600 Mhz now live in 1,250 cities & towns in 36 states plus PR

    Quote Originally Posted by californiajay View Post
    How was the signal inside those hotels?

    The maps indicate that Las Vegas has a lot of band 71.
    Good to Excellent in the places I went as I recall. But that’s to be expected when on an iDAS or a small cell just outside. That was all Bands 2/4.


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    Quote Originally Posted by formercanuck View Post
    Having band 71 in Vegas isn't much different than having band 12 in Vegas for signal.
    Signal varies depending on hotel / shopping area. I had decent service throughout Caesar's, MGM and Bellagio. Service was poor in the Wynn, and lower level of the Fashion Mall.
    If the 600 mhz band can't penetrate some hotels on the strip, then something seems wrong. Does AT&T and Verizon have service on this hotels? I'm assuming they have low band spectrum that can penetrate. If T-Mobile, even with Band 71 can't provide signal in hotels in Las Vegas, then I guess they never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formercanuck View Post
    This is a good thing. I'm skeptical of how many local sites in my area will have band 71 initially. Probably very few, as speeds/coverage are quite good. Band 2/4 at College of the Canyons gave me 212Mbps.
    As long as local city, country and state regulators control the build out and upgrade it will always be slow process. Some politicians are looking for under the table cash to allow upgrades to be approved. Still I have never seen another network that is deploying new equipment faster than T-Mobile. If John Legere gets his hands on Sprint’s spectrum it going to painful to AT&T and Verizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    As long as local city, country and state regulators control the build out and upgrade it will always be slow process. Some politicians are looking for under the table cash to allow upgrades to be approved. Still I have never seen another network that is deploying new equipment faster than T-Mobile. If John Legere gets his hands on Sprint’s spectrum it going to painful to AT&T and Verizon.
    Locally, it shouldn't be an issue, as the city government is typically pretty good on getting these approved. City is 'pro business'. State/County, that's typically the issue - at least in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obeythelaw View Post
    If the 600 mhz band can't penetrate some hotels on the strip, then something seems wrong. Does AT&T and Verizon have service on this hotels? I'm assuming they have low band spectrum that can penetrate. If T-Mobile, even with Band 71 can't provide signal in hotels in Las Vegas, then I guess they never will.
    Most hotels have indoor DAS at least at the Casino level. The higher up floors typically can get signal from the macro cells. The strip with band 4/2 typically has a range of 1000' at the most, probably even less is typical for spectrum reuse (250-300')

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    Quote Originally Posted by formercanuck View Post
    Locally, it shouldn't be an issue, as the city government is typically pretty good on getting these approved. City is 'pro business'. State/County, that's typically the issue - at least in California.
    I don't believe that. Cities are interfering with adding new cell towers and trying to using them for major revenue as well as delaying deployment for over a year to two years. I have read cities are trying to get upwards of $1,500 or more for macro towers and some cities are even demanding that small cell pay those same prices to install. Cities are like the mafia trying to steal money from cell phone networks which is another reason they are against the merger of Sprint and T-Mobile so they make more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    They’re using only 5 MHz of their 20 MHz bandwidth (each direction) here too. Hmmm?


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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    I don't believe that. Cities are interfering with adding new cell towers and trying to using them for major revenue as well as delaying deployment for over a year to two years. I have read cities are trying to get upwards of $1,500 or more for macro towers and some cities are even demanding that small cell pay those same prices to install. Cities are like the mafia trying to steal money from cell phone networks which is another reason they are against the merger of Sprint and T-Mobile so they make more money.
    That's pretty accurate about the avaricious burgermeisters who are way overstepping their bounds. Stealing to line their own pockets. As the efforts of these little Napoleon's to ban small cells, there might be a way around it by locating the small cells inside or on top of white panel vans. I know what a lot of places businesses use trucks and vans with big signs on the side to get around local ordinances that abolish businesses from putting up any signs to let people know that their establishment is there.

    of course a much better idea would be a federal law to abolish these restrictions and fees, to respect the sovereignty in these matters as belonging only to those involved. This would fit in with the commerce clause of the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoWirelessGuru View Post
    They’re using only 5 MHz of their 20 MHz bandwidth (each direction) here too. Hmmm?


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    Most likely saving the other slice for 5GNR

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoWirelessGuru View Post
    They’re using only 5 MHz of their 20 MHz bandwidth (each direction) here too. Hmmm?


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    T-Mobile only has three blocks of B71 in Atlantic City and there are still two TV stations in Phase 4 that just started Phase 4 on Monday and has another two months to go before they are supposed to leave the TV spectrum. T-Mobile can't use the spectrum until the TV stations leave the spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    I don't believe that. Cities are interfering with adding new cell towers and trying to using them for major revenue as well as delaying deployment for over a year to two years. I have read cities are trying to get upwards of $1,500 or more for macro towers and some cities are even demanding that small cell pay those same prices to install. Cities are like the mafia trying to steal money from cell phone networks which is another reason they are against the merger of Sprint and T-Mobile so they make more money.
    Right. Cities are pro business? Since when? Certainly not mine and certainly not for cell sites.

    I've suggested letting homeowners allow sites on their homes, it might be the only way in my area for mmWave to work at all.

    On a brighter note, I now see B71 making an appearance on my Mission Viejo (92691) SDR. About 10db out of the noise floor. I hope to hunt it this weekend. It could be anywhere towards LA within 20 miles if I had to guess. I often wish phones still had exterior antenna ports.

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