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    T-Mobile inks $533M reciprocal long-term spectrum lease deal with Sprint


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    Interesting find. Does that mean we eventually may be able to use some of Sprint's Band 41 prior to merger approval?
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    Quote Originally Posted by @TheRealDanny View Post
    Interesting find. Does that mean we eventually may be able to use some of Sprint's Band 41 prior to merger approval?
    I wonder how that works. T-Mobile needs to go to all the towers and add yet another antenna? Or I wonder if any of the existing ones can simply have band 41 switched on.

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    This looks like two things: 1) a way to get a jump on the merger by allowing T-Mobile to access some of Sprint's 2.5 GHz and maybe give Sprint access to some of T-Mobile's mid-band in return and 2) a back-up plan in case the merger is delayed or disapproved.
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    Since this is a spectrum lease (not a swap) I'd be inclined to say that T-Mobile pays Sprint to use their spectrum and will be able to build Band 41 equipment on their own cell grid so that we could use the new spectrum quickly. Since this is reciprocal I would agree that Sprint would add equipment compatible with Magenta's spectrum to some of their sites.

    I'm all for this. This could alleviate congestion for those who currently experience it and add some much needed capacity in crowded urban areas.

    Are you guys in agreement that T-Mobile's existing LTE grid spaced out for Band 2/4 would be sufficient to add Band 41 without any additional RF degradation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by @TheRealDanny View Post
    Are you guys in agreement that T-Mobile's existing LTE grid spaced out for Band 2/4 would be sufficient to add Band 41 without any additional RF degradation?
    I believe the point of this arrangement is to get devices off of B2/B4 when B41 is available for the device and have the customer use B2/B4/B41 for a better experience. When you add a mix of older/newer low-end, mid-range, and high-end devices you're putting a strain on B2/B4, however if devices can use B41 and use carrier aggregation, the user will have a better experience and leave B2/B4 for devices which truly need it. B41 is only used to augment the other bands and when the user has a supported device, the network conditions warrant its usage, and is within range of the B41 source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @TheRealDanny View Post
    ....Are you guys in agreement that T-Mobile's existing LTE grid spaced out for Band 2/4 would be sufficient to add Band 41 without any additional RF degradation?
    I don't agree that T-Mobile's network is necessarily "spaced out for Band 2/4". In some markets (e.g. NYC) T-Mobile's sites are spaced 200-500 m apart. That's not optimal spacing for mid-band but is about right for 2.5 GHz downlink. Just 20 MHz of 2.5 GHz could do T-Mobile a world of good in some urban markets.

    Similarly, Sprint could use some mid-band in suburban markets.

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    Could just be a way of transferring $533 mil to sprint, who is bleeding money hand over fist,and and giving Tm a legitimate 533m tax deduction. Andy when they buy sprint,they get it back.

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    Either way you slice it, this is a very shrewd move on T-Mobile part.

    I'm all for whatever enhances service.
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    But do most phones used on T-Mobile have band 41? For example do the iPhone 8 and new iPhones have band 41? If not this doesn’t seem like it would help much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by obeythelaw View Post
    But do most phones used on T-Mobile have band 41? For example do the iPhone 8 and new iPhones have band 41? If not this doesn’t seem like it would help much.
    The iPhone 8 (A1863) does, as do the iPhone 7 (A1778), iPhone SE and iPhone 6s. So does the iPhone X (A1901)
    The Samsung line appear to be crippled in firmware. The Galaxy S7 (G930T) does not but the G930S does. The S8 (G950T), S8 Active and S9 all appear to have band 41. I assume the Plus versions of all these phones are the same as the base model.

    Any traffic that can be offloaded from the current bands helps not only people whose phones support band 41 but also everyone else.

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    I have an Umidigi One Pro which supports band 41.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRNewcomb View Post
    The iPhone 8 (A1863) does, as do the iPhone 7 (A1778), iPhone SE and iPhone 6s. So does the iPhone X (A1901)...
    Just a quick clarification on the iPhone SE -- only the Sprint sold iPhone SE has band 41 compatibility -- there are two versions of the SE, and the Sprint sold version is the Asian version with Band 41 TDD. The remaining US versions do not have Band 41.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRNewcomb View Post
    I don't agree that T-Mobile's network is necessarily "spaced out for Band 2/4".
    And where I am which is semi-suburban, I think Sprint is on all the same towers as T-Mobile for the most part. Maybe band 41 gets too weak to be useful when you get a mile away from the tower, but then your phone could switch to band 12. When you're closer to the tower, band 41 can help take the load off 2 and 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wide_opeN View Post
    Either way you slice it, this is a very shrewd move on T-Mobile part.

    I'm all for whatever enhances service.

    Agreed I am very impressed how strategic this agreement is for getting a start on moving people from Sprint to T-Mobile in case of a merger. Neville Ray and John Leger are just incredible.

    BTW, my S9 is all set with Sprint's Band 25, 26 and 41...


    850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz

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    LTE (TDD): Bands 38, 39, 40, 41, 46

    Just not sure my phone supports HPUE (High Performance User Equipment) that increases the transmitter power on the phone that is allowed by the FCC on Band 41 for increased distance connection to the tower.

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