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    Post How Taiwan isn't (and is) China

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    Shortly after Christmas I'll be taking my annual winter break, this year touring the western coast of Taiwan. A couple of people that I know have expressed concern that I'll be snatched up like the other three Canadians caught up in this unfortunate Huawei mess. I feel like there's a teachable moment here, so let me gather my notes as I step up to the rostrum.

    [clears throat] Taiwan is not China. But it also is.

    The island has seen a steady influx of Han Chinese since the 1600s. But the most notable migration came in 1949 as the Kuomintang (KMT), defeated in the civil war by the Communist Party of China (CPC), fled mainland China and set up a government-in-exile in Taiwan.

    Where the confusion stems from is an agreement signed by The Republic of China (Taiwan ROC) and the People's Republic of China (China PRC). Here's Wikipedia on the 1992 Consensus, or One-China Principle:

    Under this "consensus", both governments "agree" that there is only one single sovereign state encompassing both mainland China and Taiwan, but disagree about which of the two governments is the legitimate government of this state.
    The confusion is compounded by Taiwan ROC not having a seat in the United Nations (the PRC does), and by the likes of Air Canada and Marriott Hotels bowing to mainland pressure and listing Taiwanese destinations as part of the PRC. But make no mistake; Taiwan ROC is a sovereign democratic nation, with its own currency, immigration and military forces.

    It's also home to Acer, ASUS, HTC and bubble tea.

    I should be home and back on regular duties as of Thursday, January 17th. Have a safe and happy holiday, and I'll see you in 2019!

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    So much hypocrisy with ’China.’ On one hand you have foreign corporations being forced to list Taipei as if it is China, but if you arrive at an airport in China from Taiwan it is an international flight.

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    Formosa (Taiwan) is basically extinct
    Chinese mass genocide + resettling the island

    Saying a person is "Taiwanese" is just as ridiculous as calling someone "Hong Kongese"

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    There's no better word actually for the people of this sovereign nation: Taiwanese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Peppermint View Post
    Formosa (Taiwan) is basically extinct
    Chinese mass genocide + resettling the island

    Saying a person is "Taiwanese" is just as ridiculous as calling someone "Hong Kongese"
    How would you address the people that are from Taiwan and Hong Kong then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmccull View Post
    So much hypocrisy with ’China.’ On one hand you have foreign corporations being forced to list Taipei as if it is China, but if you arrive at an airport in China from Taiwan it is an international flight.
    Everyone recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign nation, but many countries are forced to wink and say "It's part of China" while squinting one eye and crossing their fingers behind their back, in order to get lucrative business deals or satisfy tantrum-prone Beijing diplomats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chompx2 View Post
    How would you address the people that are from Taiwan and Hong Kong then?
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    Same way I would address a person who lives here in Canada
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Peppermint View Post
    Chinese

    Same way I would address a person who lives here in Canada
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    In 1949, after losing the civil war to the Chinese communists, Chiang Kai-shek's Kuomintang forces fled to the island province of Taiwan and set up a Republic of China government-in-exile. Though the ROC government no longer claims to represent the mainland, the Republic of China remains the official name of Taiwan.

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    Yes, Chinese by ethnic group, but Taiwanese as per the nation where they live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotABiot View Post
    Yes, Chinese by ethnic group, but Taiwanese as per the nation where they live.
    To call Taiwan a Nation is a bit of a stretch. Taiwan was/is a province of China. It is a breakaway province due to the difference of political parties and believes.
    The word Taiwanese is no different than Shanghainese, Cantonese, American, Californian or Angelino. It is just a name for the people who live in that place. That place could be a country, State, Province or a City.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chompx2 View Post
    To call Taiwan a Nation is a bit of a stretch. Taiwan was/is a province of China. It is a breakaway province due to the difference of political parties and believes.
    The word Taiwanese is no different than Shanghainese, Cantonese, American, Californian or Angelino. It is just a name for the people who live in that place. That place could be a country, State, Province or a City.
    Well, I am sure this post will keep your party membership in good standing! If you ever travel to Taiwan you will realize that it is in fact a separate country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmccull View Post
    Well, I am sure this post will keep your party membership in good standing! If you ever travel to Taiwan you will realize that it is in fact a separate country.
    People loves to assume. I do not belong to any party even though I always vote conservative. I am American Chinese and was not born in China. I just like to read History.
    I have been to Taiwan, I know that it is run by a separate government. The constitution of Taiwan still only recognize one China. Unification is still in the constitution.
    BTW I like Taiwan. I like its culture and its people because they are more Chinese than the Chinese on Mainland. Mainland Chinese have lost some of the traditions after the Culture Revolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chompx2 View Post
    To call Taiwan a Nation is a bit of a stretch. Taiwan was/is a province of China. It is a breakaway province due to the difference of political parties and believes.
    The word Taiwanese is no different than Shanghainese, Cantonese, American, Californian or Angelino. It is just a name for the people who live in that place. That place could be a country, State, Province or a City.
    Taiwan was during a brief time in its history a province of China.

    Taiwan is as much a nation as any other. If it is a stretch to call it one, then it is a stretch to call Nigeria or the US a nation. It is not a "breakaway", that's a historic fiction, and the use of the term helps imperialists in Beijing. It never broke away; in fact, the Chinese government in Taiwan pre-dates when Mao's Communists took over the rest of what was called China in the mid-20th century.

    If any territory is "breakaway", perhaps it is the rest of what was called China in the 1950s...

    To connect the nation of Taiwan to the "People's Republic of China" is fallacious as, say, saying Poland is German (due to the German socialists having taken over Poland briefly in the 1940s) or calling England Italian (due to Rome's relatively brief control of the territory long ago).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chompx2 View Post
    I like its culture and its people because they are more Chinese than the Chinese on Mainland. Mainland Chinese have lost some of the traditions after the Culture Revolution.
    Traditions lost... and probably tens of millions of lives.

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