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    Reports suggest that for Canadian emergency alerts turning off LTE is a workaround. Guess one could try doing that while sleeping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mch View Post
    Reports suggest that for Canadian emergency alerts turning off LTE is a workaround. Guess one could try doing that while sleeping.
    That was actually my question: I have turned off LTE and on 3G now only.
    Is any one tried that and is it actually working?
    It was amber alert in Toronto yesterday.
    PS this does not make sense to me. Chatr is 3G only, they don't get alerted?
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    Here we go again! The people of Ontario receive a 6am message alerting them to a serious problem at the NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. It ended up being a false alarm!!!

    Ontario clearly can't do anything right with this system. Wake up an entire province at 3am for a little girl that was at her uncles, because I can be so proactive in bed about it and now this, 6am nuclear disaster that didn't happen.

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    Albertans Angry Over Amber Alerts

    Apparently the alert was for people within 10km of Pickering and woke people up as far away as Ottawa and Thunder Bay.

    Definitely a miss.
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    Thumbs down

    Quote Originally Posted by mch View Post
    Apparently the alert was for people within 10km of Pickering and woke people up as far away as Ottawa and Thunder Bay.

    Definitely a miss.
    All my phones received it, even ones wthout a SIM card (kinda a plus), but we're in Kingston, over 200 KM away.

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    Thumbs down

    Also now I'm debating turning the whole feature off, Ontario has done such a poor job of implementing it.... Since coming in, waking people up at 3am for Amber Alerts and false alarms about nuclear disasters.

    Thumbs down Ontario, thumbs down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @Class View Post
    Also now I'm debating turning the whole feature off, Ontario has done such a poor job of implementing it.... Since coming in, waking people up at 3am for Amber Alerts and false alarms about nuclear disasters.

    Thumbs down Ontario, thumbs down.


    How can you turn feature off? Seems like these alerts override all phone settings.

    I would love to get rid of these alerts altogether. IMO its not used properly and subject to more domestic disputes than actual threats. CRTC sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_wisdom View Post
    That was actually my question: I have turned off LTE and on 3G now only.
    Is any one tried that and is it actually working?
    It was amber alert in Toronto yesterday.
    PS this does not make sense to me. Chatr is 3G only, they don't get alerted?
    it's really not consistent. I have 2 phones and data and LTE turned off on one and still got alert once, but most of the time doesn't go off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dano89 View Post
    How can you turn feature off? Seems like these alerts override all phone settings.

    I would love to get rid of these alerts altogether. IMO its not used properly and subject to more domestic disputes than actual threats. CRTC sucks

    Dan
    Correct. Canada misuses/abuses the alert system by making everything a Presidential Alert which supposedly cannot be turned off on an LTE phone. Some people like you sometimes have luck by switching their phones to 3G only. I saw in your next response that this sometimes works for you too, but not always.

    I would also love to get rid of these alerts. But I keep getting woken up because 1) everything is OK at the Pickering Nuclear Generating Station so don't worry, 2) Oops, previous emergency was a mistake folks so stop worrying, 3) a father who picks up his daughter every afternoon from school is at odds with his ex-wife so the ex has to call the police to get him arrested for no reason, 4) a mother is on a bus with her daughter from Sault St. Marie to Toronto so if we see her in the bus in the middle of the night can we call 911 -- WTF, can't the police contact the bus driver on the bus radio? And so on, and so on, and so on.

    I wish our alert system was like the American system where not every single message is a Presidential Alert.

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    Albertans Angry Over Amber Alerts

    I think the argument goes something like “if one child is saved by waking up 5,000,000 people repeatedly over a year, it is worth it”

    This doesn’t take into account unintended consequences. e.g. Groggy sleep deprived people will then drive and get into accidents. Some percentage of accidents are fatal. I suppose one could argue that groggy sleep deprived people shouldn’t be driving, but many people need to drive to work to get paid.

    The other argument I have heard is that “people who don’t want to be alerted shouldn’t have their phones near their beds.” This doesn’t take into account people who need to be available because of oncall responsibilities or sick family members.

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    It's a very simple solution, disable LTE and you won't get the alerts.
    Want to learn more about how LTE works?
    https://productioncommunity.publicmo...ls/td-p/130581

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheytoon View Post
    It's a very simple solution, disable LTE and you won't get the alerts.
    That works until the legacy 3G networks are deprecated.

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    That's at least 5 years away. Who knows what will happen by then.

    Otherwise if it's bothering you that much, buy a phone that allows DND mode to silence the alerts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheytoon View Post
    buy a phone that allows DND mode to silence the alerts.
    That is what is so frustrating. Do-Not-Disturb mode turned on at 3 AM is completely useless when the American-named Presidential Alert comes in.

    Completely useless on iPhone.
    Completely useless on Samsung Galaxy.
    Completely useless on Alcatel Tetra. This AT&T phone lets you know they are all Presidential Alerts.

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    Albertans Angry Over Amber Alerts

    Do you still get the alerts on the iphone if
    * you use wifi calling
    * turn on airplane mode
    * then explicitly turn on wifi and bluetooth after turning on airplane mode.

    Calls and texts will still work when this is set up.

    Trivial to make a shortcut that would do all this
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