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    One man's take on T-Mobile's jobs pledge


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    I would agree...
    I would say that most of the low-mid skilled jobs like retail or call center jobs are eventually going away or they will either be outsourced or automated. Retail, for the most part will likely be replaced by online shopping and call center jobs can be outsourced to Mexico/Philippines or automated. Warehousing can be automated with some humans running the place and maintaining the machines.
    Jobs like these can easily be wiped out and/or moved else where...

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    Quote Originally Posted by i0wnj00 View Post
    I would agree...
    I would say that most of the low-mid skilled jobs like retail or call center jobs are eventually going away or they will either be outsourced or automated. Retail, for the most part will likely be replaced by online shopping and call center jobs can be outsourced to Mexico/Philippines or automated. Warehousing can be automated with some humans running the place and maintaining the machines.
    Jobs like these can easily be wiped out and/or moved else where...
    The unfortunate truth is that a cell phone store can be replaced with a sophisticated vending machine (think Best Buy vending machines). You could complete your order online or at the machine then just have the device shipped to your house or go to the machine and swipe your card and pick it up (like a redbox machine where you order online and swipe your card at the redbox to collect the order). I’m not bashing retail stores by any means, I’m just saying in the case of a cell phone store (they only sell 15 or so model phones) do you really need an entire storefront.


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    T-Mobile and old John are virulently anti-union, that puts them low on my book of pro-employee companies. As bad as AT&T can be, they are union, that puts them above Magenta. Do you want to sit back, and have no way to fight back? Go non union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeInPa View Post
    The unfortunate truth is that a cell phone store can be replaced with a sophisticated vending machine (think Best Buy vending machines). You could complete your order online or at the machine then just have the device shipped to your house or go to the machine and swipe your card and pick it up (like a redbox machine where you order online and swipe your card at the redbox to collect the order). I’m not bashing retail stores by any means, I’m just saying in the case of a cell phone store (they only sell 15 or so model phones) do you really need an entire storefront.
    You don't need a store front and pay for...
    1.) Space
    2.) Utilities
    3.) Inventory
    4.) Labor

    When a vending machine costs much less, even if you factor in the maintenance.

    Quote Originally Posted by ilvla2 View Post
    T-Mobile and old John are virulently anti-union, that puts them low on my book of pro-employee companies. As bad as AT&T can be, they are union, that puts them above Magenta. Do you want to sit back, and have no way to fight back? Go non union.
    Unions can't save you if you are going to be replaced by a vending machine, AI, a machine or a somebody doing the same job in a foreign country. T-Mobile and AT&T can just as easily cut the jobs and either outsource or automate them...

    Even the UAW started a rukus when GM announced that they were going to close assembly plants in Ontario, Canada and the U.S. Midwest. Not much you can do if they want to automate the assembly lines or continue running the assembly lines in Mexico to crankout SUVs and trucks for consumption back in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilvla2 View Post
    T-Mobile and old John are virulently anti-union, that puts them low on my book of pro-employee companies. As bad as AT&T can be, they are union, that puts them above Magenta. Do you want to sit back, and have no way to fight back? Go non union.

    Unions are communist that should all be made illegal in this country. We pay taxes to the Government and why should workers be forced to pay for extra taxes to corrupt union that are nothing more than a Mafia of thugs that will kill people that won’t pay for protection just like the mafia to allow people to work for a job. I have had enough for of the SEIU Union that cut the tires and key people’s cars that won’t vote in the SEIU Union at my daughters Hospital where she works and intimidates hospitals people’s families. The SEIU Union should be declared a terrorist group.

    Americans should have the right to work at any job in any state without paying unions stealing their money. Few Americans would join a Union and pay a forced Union fee if Socialist states didn’t require them to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeInPa View Post
    The unfortunate truth is that a cell phone store can be replaced with a sophisticated vending machine (think Best Buy vending machines). You could complete your order online or at the machine then just have the device shipped to your house or go to the machine and swipe your card and pick it up (like a redbox machine where you order online and swipe your card at the redbox to collect the order). I’m not bashing retail stores by any means, I’m just saying in the case of a cell phone store (they only sell 15 or so model phones) do you really need an entire storefront.


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    Yes and no. A cell phone store also serves as a support center, customer education center, payment collector, etc. Even for those of us who buy online, the store can be a showroom for hands-on demos.

    We at HoFo are a different animal than the typical cell phone customer. You or I may not need the handholding that others might need, but for those who do, you couldn't replace the store with a vending machine.





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    Quote Originally Posted by i0wnj00 View Post
    You don't need a store front and pay for...
    1.) Space
    2.) Utilities
    3.) Inventory
    4.) Labor

    When a vending machine costs much less, even if you factor in the maintenance
    I’m not denying their will still be overhead and costs associated with it, I'm just saying they would be much less than a storefront. Most people only go into a storefront once every few years. people will still need a place to go with issues. I’m just saying now they could have less of them. Phones come in very small boxes and you can put a ton of them in large vending machines. I know everyone’s location is different and rural people don’t have the same options but within 10 miles of my house I can go to 2 Walmart’s, target, sams club, Costco, Best Buy, 3 Verizon stores, 3 AT&T stores, and 2 T-Mobile stores. So I have plenty of places to get a phone from.

    I want to be very clear. I’m NOT advocating for stores to go away, I’m just saying if they are looking to cut costs I see a reduction in storefronts being an easy option for T-mobile (or any carrier for that matter). More importantly customers would go for it. If you needed a new phone and it was as easy as going to a redbox wouldn’t you do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elecconnec View Post
    Yes and no. A cell phone store also serves as a support center, customer education center, payment collector, etc. Even for those of us who buy online, the store can be a showroom for hands-on demos.

    We at HoFo are a different animal than the typical cell phone customer. You or I may not need the handholding that others might need, but for those who do, you couldn't replace the store with a vending machine.

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    I 100% agree. I’m simply saying they COULD reduce the number of storefronts not completely eliminate them. A town that has 2 stores could drop down to one and have two machines that the main store would be responsible for stocking them. I’m still not advocating for the vending machines I’m simply saying I could see companies using them to save money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elecconnec View Post
    Yes and no. A cell phone store also serves as a support center, customer education center, payment collector, etc. Even for those of us who buy online, the store can be a showroom for hands-on demos.

    We at HoFo are a different animal than the typical cell phone customer. You or I may not need the handholding that others might need, but for those who do, you couldn't replace the store with a vending machine.
    I agree. Witness the success, if you will, of Apple's retail stores--and their Genius Bar concept.

    People like to walk up and get human service, and apparently are perfectly willing to pay for the privilege (in Apple's case, via more expensive devices).

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    Quote Originally Posted by i0wnj00 View Post
    .... call center jobs are eventually going away or they will either be outsourced or automated. .......
    We already call 1st tier CSRs "script reading robots". I suppose someone is working on a robot to do just that job. Automated voice interaction has gotten pretty good. We already see the kiosks in McDonalds, proving the point that the real minimum wage is zero.

    Quote Originally Posted by ilvla2 View Post
    T-Mobile and old John are virulently anti-union, that puts them low on my book of pro-employee companies. ......
    If the employees are happy, I don't see how it matters. If an employer maintains a positive relationship with their employees, there will be no demand to form a union. Unions are born out of unresolved grievances, not as a natural course of events.

    Quote Originally Posted by i0wnj00 View Post
    .....Unions can't save you if you are going to be replaced by a vending machine, AI, a machine or a somebody doing the same job in a foreign country. ...
    At best, they can slow the process and make it cost more. I know one guy whose union got him a full pension when the railroad closed the station where he worked. That softened the blow considerably.

    .....Even the UAW started a rukus when .......
    I remember when one of the big issues of negotiation during a UAW strike was "mandatory overtime". Yes, they didn't want to be forced to work all those extra hours, nights and weekends (at time and a half or more). Can you say they weren't looking past the ends of their noses?

    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    Unions are communist that should all be made illegal in this country. ......
    Oh puleease? Can we get back to reality here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    Unions are communist that should all be made illegal in this country.
    While unions can sometimes abuse their positions, things like 40 hour work weeks and safe working conditions wouldn't have happened without them, and they can champion for the rights of individual workers who wouldn't have the resources to fight for themselves.

    My father was seriously injured when working for the local gas utility in the 1950's, when a gas main explosion threw a 6" chunk of cast-iron pipe at him shattering his left elbow and rendering it useless.

    The company offered to pay his medical bills to the cheapest extent possible: amputate the arm above the elbow, and then immediately let him go, since a one-armed man was useless to them as a laborer. His union fought the company on his behalf, saving his arm (multiple surgeries and several weeks in the hospital allowed doctors to partially save his arm by permanently pinning it at a 90-degree angle so he could have some functionality), insuring he was still paid while recovering in and out of the hospital, and securing him a supervisory position he could work at with his resulting disability when he returned several months later (the company made him a crew foreman, directing other laborers.) He worked there another 35 years before retiring with a decent (union-negotiated!) pension.

    So yeah, unions may sometimes go too far, but if management didn't treat labor so poorly, unions wouldn't be needed in the first place. Unionizing is a basic right of workers, and unions are responsible for most of the basic labor protections we take for granted today.

    At the risk of drawing ire from the moderators, (as well as try to bring this back on topic to T-Mobile, if only tangentially), I'll make the observation that I guess I'm not surprised that someone on this board who's pro-merger is also anti-union, since it's a very short hop from being anti-consumer to being anti-worker.



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    Quote Originally Posted by elecconnec View Post
    So yeah, unions may sometimes go too far, but if management didn't treat labor so poorly, unions wouldn't be needed in the first place.
    You restrict your talk to "labor", and by that you mean blue collar workers.

    Blue collar is not the force today that it was, yet we have plenty of people employed today. The shift has gone from factory workers to office workers. Why didn't the unions start going after the cube dwellers 30 years ago?

    Let me rephrase what you said:

    "but if management didn't treat employees so poorly..." The fact is, the need for unions hasn't gone away. But the need for what unions have become and limited themselves to today has gone away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilvla2 View Post
    T-Mobile and old John are virulently anti-union, that puts them low on my book of pro-employee companies. As bad as AT&T can be, they are union, that puts them above Magenta. Do you want to sit back, and have no way to fight back? Go non union.
    He is not anti-union. He doesn't care if workers choose to give as much money as they want to unions. However, he does not support forced union association. Likewise, Legere does not favor forcing his workers to pay dues to the NEA or ACLU. Does this automatically make him anti-NEA, anti-ACLU?

    AT&T forces its workers to join unions against their will, which puts them below Magenta. Unions make the "Do you want to sit back, and have no way to fight back?" situation worse: if you stand up to the union bosses who steal your money to give to national political campaigns, you will get fired. We need to tip the balance of power away from unions and toward workers, and make sure that from coast to cost, union membership is the choice of each worker.

    Being in a union now is little different than joining a PAC. It is all about raising money for political campaigns. But as you should not be forced to join a PAC, you should not be forced to join a union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam1991 View Post
    You restrict your talk to "labor", and by that you mean blue collar workers.

    Blue collar is not the force today that it was, yet we have plenty of people employed today. The shift has gone from factory workers to office workers. Why didn't the unions start going after the cube dwellers 30 years ago?

    Let me rephrase what you said:

    "but if management didn't treat employees so poorly..." The fact is, the need for unions hasn't gone away. But the need for what unions have become and limited themselves to today has gone away.
    True. By becoming a campaign fundraising scheme, unions are just part of political corruption. Unions treat workers even more poorly than management, which is why less than 10% want anything to do with unions.

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