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    Court rejects FCC exemption of 5G small cell site reviews

    I suppose this is more of a problem for the carriers that are depending on mmWave.

    https://www.fiercewireless.com/regul...mrkid=21553822

    The Federal Communications Commission was dealt a partial blow last week as a U.S. appeals court vacated the agency’s move to exempt 5G small cell sites from federal environmental and historic preservation review.
    Of the court’s decision impacting small cell site reviews, Carr said:

    “We are reviewing the portion of last March’s decision that the D.C. Circuit did not affirm and look forward to next steps, as appropriate.” FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel, who dissented in the March 2018 vote, Tweeted the court decision meant it’s time for the FCC “to go back to the drawing board”

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    Mostly Verizon due to their spectrum position. T, TMUS, and S have limited use for small cells. A combined TMUS/S would have even less with all that 2.5.

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    You'd think we weren't in a day and age where we depend on our phones almost exclusively.

    Oh well...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wide_opeN View Post
    You'd think we weren't in a day and age where we depend on our phones almost exclusively.
    What.....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoxFan76 View Post
    What.....?
    I'm saying... The courts and politicians are acting like it's 1984/1996 again with all this legal action concerning telecom.

    Please stand down Bureaucrats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wide_opeN View Post
    I'm saying... The courts and politicians are acting like it's 1984/1996 again with all this legal action concerning telecom.

    Please stand down Bureaucrats.


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    Ahh, 1984, that was a big year for me, I turned 13 and started 7th grade at Traweek Junior High School (West Covina, SoCal), I miss those days, and the 80's like crazy! The world actually still made some sense back then.
    Last edited by ilvla2; 08-14-2019 at 05:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilvla2 View Post
    Ahh, 1984, that was a big year for me, I turned 13 and started 7th grade at Traweek Junior High School (West Covnina, SoCal), I miss those days, and the 80's like crazy! The world actually still made some sense back then.
    Wow, West Covina, really?! I was born there and was in Mesa School there (K-5), but we moved to Laguna Beach sometime in '84 when I was 11. A huge year for me. I still listen to mostly 80's music. I'm stuck in the decade, lol. We can talk more on private chat if you'd like.

    But yeah, as for the bureaucrats, it doesn't make sense. How will we get the 800k sites some carriers need for 5G. It's not going to happen in this country, but it will in others.

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    There definitely will never be a repeat of the 80's. That's for sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wide_opeN View Post
    I'm saying... The courts and politicians are acting like it's 1984/1996 again with all this legal action concerning telecom.

    Please stand down Bureaucrats.
    What? That makes absolutely no sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon_73 View Post
    But yeah, as for the bureaucrats, it doesn't make sense. How will we get the 800k sites some carriers need for 5G. It's not going to happen in this country, but it will in others.
    800k sites? We could cover 80% of the land mass of the US with 5G with 55k towers. That's what Verizon's old CDMA network was, and n5 5G will have close to the same coverage as CDMA (although not quite as much as we've found with VoLTE). The problem is UDPs and excessive data usage combined with poor regulation and allocation of spectrum such that Verizon has to build out small cells all over the place to make up for their crappy spectrum position. If there weren't UDPs, and spectrum were allocated more efficiently, we wouldn't need small cells.

    I don't think anyone is building 800k sites though. AT&T has 70k macros now, and is projecting 55k small cells by 2021. I'm not sure what those small cells are going to actually DO, as their network is flying without small cells in most places today with their spectrum. Verizon is surely deploying more small cells than that, they probably are close to 70k macros post densification. Rural buildout doesn't do much to the numbers, as they can plug holes on the national map with a few dozen 400' towers.

    The only way I could see anywhere close to 800k tower is if a future post-merger DISH or a failed-merger Sprint partners with cable companies to do strand mounts on every block.

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    I think the only part is perhaps you don't understand the significance of those years concerning Telecom.

    It's ultimately led us to today's climate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wide_opeN View Post
    There definitely will never be a repeat of the 80's. That's for sure.


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    Sigh, true, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon_73 View Post
    Wow, West Covina, really?! I was born there and was in Mesa School there (K-5), but we moved to Laguna Beach sometime in '84 when I was 11. A huge year for me. I still listen to mostly 80's music. I'm stuck in the decade, lol. We can talk more on private chat if you'd like.
    Yep, good old WC I'm an 80's nut, too, I am, too stuck in the 80's, proudly old school I got your message, get back to you soon, rad dude!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoxFan76 View Post
    Mostly Verizon due to their spectrum position. T, TMUS, and S have limited use for small cells. A combined TMUS/S would have even less with all that 2.5.
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    Of coruse you totally failed to post what the court DID NOT reject

    the court upheld provisions that implement accelerated “shot clock” approval timelines for needed reviews and prohibit upfront fees for macro or small cell site reviews.

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