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Thread: The final obstacle to the T-Mobile/Sprint Merger Begins Tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur101 View Post
    I'm thinking some serious holes will be poked in both tmobiles and sprints arguments during this trial especially due to sprints garbage
    Honestly that's what worries me most about the merger, not pricing, not jobs, not competition, but TMobile integrating Sprint into them. Sprint is a cesspool of garbage, incompetence, and in some cases pure laziness. I fear some of that sneaks into TMobile.

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    Deutsche Telekom CEO denies T-Mobile/Sprint deal will reduce competition

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1YE2I3

    Funny how the states are using info from 2010 and trying to say that it's relevant to today's market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hofonewb9 View Post
    This isn't accurate. Tmobile negotiated with dish on the deal. TMobile had the option to negotiate with any company they wanted to, they chose dish. ....
    Dish was the only company with a spectrum position to be able to carry it off. Until Star Trek's sub-space frequencies become available, they were the only choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by hofonewb9 View Post
    Honestly that's what worries me most about the merger, not pricing, not jobs, not competition, but TMobile integrating Sprint into them. Sprint is a cesspool of garbage, incompetence, and in some cases pure laziness. I fear some of that sneaks into TMobile.
    A fish rots from the head. Remove the leadership and everything else can be sorted out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hofonewb9 View Post
    Well because sometimes the DOJ and FCC are incorrect. The states have the constitutional right to challenge their decisions in court. I know you are a huge fan of strict obedience and nobody being able to question anything, but that's not how it works here. It's not about the judge being "smart enough" to see anything. It's if he finds the merger legal or not, are you really trying to insinuate that if a federal judge doesn't rule the way you want him to, that makes them unintelligent??? If TMobile gets a judgment not in their favor, they will have the right to appeal.

    The rest of the post I actually agree with, and is the reason TMobile would be foolish to argue the failed entity argument in court. It will be impossible to prove Sprint could not restructure successfully with a bankruptcy. They take in too much revenue.
    How does a State have the Right to Control the merger of a national company after the FCC & DOJ approved of the merger? At most the state only has a right to disallow both Sprint and T-Mobile to do business in their state. So ban Sprint and T- Mobile from doing business in their state and now there are only two networks in that state. Go ahead let AT&T and Verizon to rip off all the customers in those states. Plus a lot of unemployed workers and upsets customers that have to buy new phones plus pay off the phones with no service now thanks to the state banning Sprint and T- Mobile. . Go ahead a see how many people vote out the politicians in the next election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hofonewb9 View Post
    You are trying to make a personal argument out of something the court will not rule on. It's not up to the court to determine what Sprint does post merger if not allowed. That's not what's on trial. Yours, or anyone's personal beliefs on what will happen to Sprint is irrelevant, as that's not what the court will be looking at. They will though allow the states to make the argument that dish is incapable of doing what they have promised to do to get DOJ approval, as this is a central argument from T-Mobile, that dish will provide competition. The states have every right then to counter this with dish's incompetence. As it stands, fox business is reporting TMobile is actually discussing allowing employees to unionize, just to settle with the states, which if you know how tmobile has felt about unions in the past, this seems to indicate they aren't loving their chances in court. A settlement may be their only option. Attachment 164723
    "Allowing workers to unionize?" Workers can unionize now if they wish. Temporary price controls are of no real value. The issue is the elimination of a fourth carrier that has intentionally stopped trying to be competitive in order to get the merger to go through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    How does a State have the Right to Control the merger of a national company after the FCC & DOJ approved of the merger? At most the state only has a right to disallow both Sprint and T-Mobile to do business in their state. So band Sprint and T- Mobile from doing business in their state and now there are only two networks in that state. Go ahead a see how many people vote out the politicians in the next election.
    A state doesn't have that right. The states are suing in Federal Court. The federal court judge has that power. The central issue will be whether or not the spinning off of Boost to Dish will create a fourth viable national carrier that will prevent a loss of competition. I don't think that there's a single person that believes that going from Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile and Sprint to Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Boost will satisfy anti-trust concerns. If we had an administration that was interested in the law we'd never have gotten this far.

    Personally I believe that a company that tries to gain market share by selling at a loss hurts companies that are trying to make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n33d0n3 View Post
    The FCC and the DoJ created DISH as an alternative. It isn't T-Mobile's job in this suit to defend that decision.
    Actually that is exactly T-Mobile's job in the lawsuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur101 View Post
    I'm thinking some serious holes will be poked in both tmobiles and sprints arguments during this trial especially due to sprints garbage
    It's very amusing to listen to Sprint argue in court that their network sucks while airing advertisements that proclaim how wonderful their network is.

    The weak point of T-Mobile's and Sprint's case is how Deutsches Telecom was able to invest enough money to engineer a spectacular turnaround of T-Mobile. Well that's one of the weak points. The even weaker point is that Dish acquiring Boost and operating it as a T-Mobile MVNO will result in a fourth nationwide network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianAngela View Post
    A state doesn't have that right. The states are suing in Federal Court. The federal court judge has that power. The central issue will be whether or not the spinning off of Boost to Dish will create a fourth viable national carrier that will prevent a loss of competition. I don't think that there's a single person that believes that going from Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile and Sprint to Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Boost will satisfy anti-trust concerns. If we had an administration that was interested in the law we'd never have gotten this far.

    Personally I believe that a company that tries to gain market share by selling at a loss hurts companies that are trying to make money.
    This whole thing is such BS. In maybe just 5 Years Low Earth Satellite will eliminate most cell towers with thousands of low orbit satellites providing internet service with 3 nano second lag service that will force every network to move to a MVNO service.

    https://youtu.be/-9CM3d5UO6A

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    How does a State have the Right to Control the merger of a national company after the FCC & DOJ approved of the merger? At most the state only has a right to disallow both Sprint and T-Mobile to do business in their state. So ban Sprint and T- Mobile from doing business in their state and now there are only two networks in that state. Go ahead let AT&T and Verizon to rip off all the customers in those states. Plus a lot of unemployed workers and upsets customers that have to buy new phones plus pay off the phones with no service now thanks to the state banning Sprint and T- Mobile. . Go ahead a see how many people vote out the politicians in the next election.
    States hold the power to challenge mergers as long as the merger affects their citizens. The DOJ and FCC do not hold absolute power, neither do the states. I'm not sure where you got the idea the most power they hold is to disallow, but, this is highly inaccurate. States hold the same power to challenge a merger in court that the DOJ holds. Generally, the status quo is for states to follow the DOJs lead, but, they are not required to. People can argue the political motivations of both sides all day, and everyone definitely has their own opinion on that. None of that changes though states abilities to challenge mergers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianAngela View Post
    "Allowing workers to unionize?" Workers can unionize now if they wish. Temporary price controls are of no real value. The issue is the elimination of a fourth carrier that has intentionally stopped trying to be competitive in order to get the merger to go through.
    They can, but...... Lol well.....ok say you are an employee of TMobile, now say you try to unionize or, get caught promoting unions to company employees. You are no longer a TMobile employee lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet1000 View Post
    Well according to the articles that shilohcane posted, they were that stupid.

    Case over, they blew it. Merger is a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRNewcomb View Post
    Dish was the only company with a spectrum position to be able to carry it off. Until Star Trek's sub-space frequencies become available, they were the only choice.


    A fish rots from the head. Remove the leadership and everything else can be sorted out.
    ....maybe....dish was also in a spot where they needed a lifeline. You can make the argument if TMobile instead did the deal with a comcast, then enforced their deadlines with dish on their spectrum....there might be a better chance for an actual competitor instead of dish. Dish is very much a weak link in all of this. But, dish is who they chose so you deal with it.


    Sprint leadership will hold seats on the new TMobile board of directors. More and more Sprint stores are being forced to stay open due to settlements with some of the states. The hope is not much of Sprint seeps over, but, like the blob, even a little bit may be fatal lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by hofonewb9 View Post
    ....maybe....dish was also in a spot where they needed a lifeline. You can make the argument if TMobile instead did the deal with a comcast, then enforced their deadlines with dish on their spectrum....there might be a better chance for an actual competitor instead of dish.
    There's no info that Comcast was interested in being a fourth competitor. But even if they were, T-Mobile/Sprint is giving a relatively small amount of spectrum to Dish along with the Boost brand. That amount of spectrum wouldn't be enough for Comcast to start a fourth network. And even enforcing the deadlines of Dish's spectrum, wouldn't free that up in time for a Comcast to use it.

    Why this had workability is that Dish is bringing so much spectrum to the table that it already owns. I agree with DRNewcomb that it was the only option for a fourth new network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet1000 View Post
    There's no info that Comcast was interested in being a fourth competitor. But even if they were, T-Mobile/Sprint is giving a relatively small amount of spectrum to Dish along with the Boost brand. That amount of spectrum wouldn't be enough for Comcast to start a fourth network. And even enforcing the deadlines of Dish's spectrum, wouldn't free that up in time for a Comcast to use it.

    Why this had workability is that Dish is bringing so much spectrum to the table that it already owns. I agree with DRNewcomb that it was the only option for a fourth new network.
    Oh, I think comcast could of did something with it within 7 years. Likely much more than dish did with it the last 7 years, that's for sure. Some may think TMobile strategically handpicked dish due to them not actually believing dish will ever become a viable carrier, and that TMobile ends up with that spectrum back, and even those prepaid users back eventually as well.

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