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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeuten View Post
    All T-Mobile 5G rollouts have been 10x10 where spectrum licenses allow. They’ve shaved 5x5 for LTE, not NR.





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    So you come back with a chart that shows only “Theoretical peak speeds “ instead of real world tested speed increases on T-Mobile between LTE and 5G....by Wired Mag...

    This is only one article that author claimed about 20% but I have see other news articles say 25%. However that is why I said 15% fo 25% since everyone has a different percentage of increase on T-Mobile’s 5G vs LTE speed. BTW, that extra 34 Mbps is more than 20% in the article’s statement of going from LTE at 106 vs 5G at 140 Mbps. That was a 33.08 percent increase in this article not the 20% the author spoke about.

    “ The cellular status on my phone has listed "5G" instead of the usual "4G LTE" the past few days. I've been testing T-Mobile's new nationwide network, and yes, in almost every case, it's faster than the performance you would see on the carrier’s 4G LTE network. I measured 140 megabits per second (Mbps) download speeds in Brooklyn on 5G using Ookla's Speed Test app, while a phone on T-Mobile's 4G LTE network hit around 106 Mbps in the same location. That's a little more than what T-Mobile said people should expect on its 5G network—a 20 percent bump in speed. For reference, the average mobile download speed in the US is 34 Mbps, according to Ookla, and it's usually faster in more populated areas.“ https://www.wired.com/story/testing-...laren-edition/
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    Well, my view on this...
    I do view AT&T & T-Mo's rolling a slice of low band 5G as kind of "pissing contest" 5G, that thin slice won't do a lot for real speeds but it lets them show wide area coverage on a map. They are rolling mmwave as well but not talking about it as much, emphasizing coverage. VZW's 5G is kind of "pissing contest" 5G too, huge speeds but very limited coverage. You know what? That's fine. All those areas getting low band 5G, it's reasonably likely the equipment there's ready to flip at least some 4G-only bands to DSS when the updates for that are out a few months from now. Presumably some fraction of VZW's deployed equipment's ready to flip DSS on too. And all 3 are strategically building out mmwave. It's early in the 5G days, giving it 3-6 months will make a big difference I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    Well if you accidentally read the links you would see that T-Mobile has 7 or 8 cities with mmWave 5G. Also, if you ever read about T-Mobile 5G mmWave that it was first deployment was in June 2019. BTW, please tell me when Las Vegas got a Super Bowl? Left you a link so you can better find those mmWave area that I still think are useless except for running static Speedtest so you don’t have to go to a Super Bowl cities.

    “ T-Mobile US today announced it will use millimeter wave spectrum to offer up 5G services in parts of six cities beginning on June 28 to correspond with sales of the Samsung Galaxy S10 5G. The company published detailed coverage maps showing where subscribers in Atlanta, Cleveland, Dallas, Las Vegas, Los Angeles and New York can expect a 5G signal.” . https://www.rcrwireless.com/20190625...imeter-wave-5g
    My apologies. I just sort of ***-u-me that the humor is apparent when I say something that silly. Next time I'll put some sort of idiotic laughing emoji or something.

    The underlying point of my joke/comment was, while I'm happy to see T-Mo did well in that Super Bowl showdown, but an event like that isn't indicative of network quality in the "real world". It's an interesting data point, but there's not much I can extrapolate from that away from that stadium. I lose data at my kid's high school when class gets out and hundreds of students all get online at once. If T-Mo can't handle a few hundred kids going on Instagram at once, I'm guessing the Super Bowl results are the result of a well orchestrated stunt (by all four carriers) and don't represent results at similarly attended, but less scrutinized events.

    I'd like to see that test run at the next Denver ComicCon- I've taken my kids for years, and we've never got a consistent working data connection on T-Mo at the Colorado Convention Center during the event.




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    Quote Originally Posted by elecconnec View Post
    My apologies. I just sort of ***-u-me that the humor is apparent when I say something that silly. Next time I'll put some sort of idiotic laughing emoji or something.

    The underlying point of my joke/comment was, while I'm happy to see T-Mo did well in that Super Bowl showdown, but an event like that isn't indicative of network quality in the "real world". It's an interesting data point, but there's not much I can extrapolate from that away from that stadium. I lose data at my kid's high school when class gets out and hundreds of students all get online at once. If T-Mo can't handle a few hundred kids going on Instagram at once, I'm guessing the Super Bowl results are the result of a well orchestrated stunt (by all four carriers) and don't represent results at similarly attended, but less scrutinized events.

    I'd like to see that test run at the next Denver ComicCon- I've taken my kids for years, and we've never got a consistent working data connection on T-Mo at the Colorado Convention Center during the event.




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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    I am lucky that I live in South Florida where T-Mobile is Awesome which Rootmetrics shows. However if T-Mobile isn’t right for you why don’t you fire them like I did AT&T and Sprint long before that when they were useless. Hopefully this new Sprint spectrum improves your congestion at your kids school.
    As I've explained to the all-or-nothing types here many times, I'm happy with T-Mo. They aren't perfect (regardless of what you seem to believe), but they represent, as least to me, an excellent value and I get very good (but certainly not perfect!) service for the price I pay.





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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    More ridiculous statements about 5G. Both AT&T and T-Mobile each have mmWave and Low Ban 5G today. Those support the fast, short-range millimeter-wave (mmWave) networks found in 35 cities on AT&T, 34 on Verizon, and seven on T-Mobile. Currently Verizon is limited to only mmWave in a few section in a couple of dozen cities downtown area. The Samsung S20 will be the first phone that is about to be released will support both mmWave and low band 5G spectrum. T-Mobile has 5G in more places than AT&T by millions of Americans. In fact Sprint has 5G on its Band 41 that T-Mobile will own that will work with together with carrier aggregation that will deliver much faster 5G nationwide.

    T-Mobile, AT&T Rev Up Low-Band 5G for Samsung Galaxy S20 Launch https://www.pcmag.com/news/t-mobile-...for-galaxy-s20
    More ridiculous statements? What are you even referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    ...Just wait till T-Mobile gets their hand on Sprint’s Band 41 that can be added to T-Mobile’s low band that will work in your home, work building, indoor restaurant or even outside if it is raining unlike mmWave....
    My experience with using Sprint on band 25 (1.9 GHz) and T-Mo with bands 2 & 4 (1.9 & 1.7 GHz) was that it does not do well at all inside buildings. I would expect band 41 (2.6 GHz) to be even worse.

    It will be interesting to see what T-Mo can do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobdevnul View Post
    My experience with using Sprint on band 25 (1.9 GHz) and T-Mo with bands 2 & 4 (1.9 & 1.7 GHz) was that it does not do well at all inside buildings. I would expect band 41 (2.6 GHz) to be even worse.

    It will be interesting to see what T-Mo can do with it.
    In 6 to 9 months we will see but band 41 is allowed to use HPUE that increases the transmitter power of your cell phone that isn’t available on band 2,4 and 25. I get TM’s band 2 & 4 ok inside my house as well as my friends homes. Agree with you about big steel beam building penetration that act like a Faraday Cage. A favorite sports bar that my friends all meet up is a Steel Roof and steel beams. It blocked all networks inside unless you were near a window or a outside wall. Luckily T-Mobile 600 MHz seems to penetrate the whole building enough to view YouTube videos streaming.

    For the record I was making fun of mmWave in my quote you copied. Even though T-Mobile has mmWave now in and around Dolphins Stadium I think outside of those sports arena, malls, casinos and outdoor concerts that mmWave is almost useless since it’s nonexistent penetration through almost anything. Any spectrum below 4 GHz has much better penetration properties than mmWave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    So you come back with a chart that shows only “Theoretical peak speeds “ instead of real world tested speed increases on T-Mobile between LTE and 5G....by Wired Mag...
    Peak speeds translate to capacity. Enjoy those 5/10 MHz channels while nobody is on them. They will saturate faster than the LTE networks we have today with the launch of the S20 and the 2020 5G iPhone.

    This is only one article that author claimed about 20% but I have see other news articles say 25%. However that is why I said 15% fo 25% since everyone has a different percentage of increase on T-Mobile’s 5G vs LTE speed. BTW, that extra 34 Mbps is more than 20% in the article’s statement of going from LTE at 106 vs 5G at 140 Mbps. That was a 33.08 percent increase in this article not the 20% the author spoke about. The cellular status on my phone has listed "5G" instead of the usual "4G LTE" the past few days. I've been testing T-Mobile's new nationwide network, and yes, in almost every case, it's faster than the performance you would see on the carrier’s 4G LTE network. I measured 140 megabits per second (Mbps) download speeds in Brooklyn on 5G using Ookla's Speed Test app, while a phone on T-Mobile's 4G LTE network hit around 106 Mbps in the same location. That's a little more than what T-Mobile said people should expect on its 5G network—a 20 percent bump in speed. For reference, the average mobile download speed in the US is 34 Mbps, according to Ookla, and it's usually faster in more populated areas.“ https://www.wired.com/story/testing-...laren-edition/
    Great, a speed increase on a network that is being used by very few customers. Don't forget you're bonding LTE channels with NR. You're not getting 140 Mbps from NR... you're getting 34 Mbps, maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    In 6 to 9 months we will see but band 41 is allowed to use HPUE that increases the transmitter power of your cell phone that isn’t available on band 2,4 and 25. I get TM’s band 2 & 4 ok inside my house as well as my friends homes. Agree with you about big steel beam building penetration that act like a Faraday Cage. A favorite sports bar that my friends all meet up is a Steel Roof and steel beams. It blocked all networks inside unless you were near a window or a outside wall. Luckily T-Mobile 600 MHz seems to penetrate the whole building enough to view YouTube videos streaming.
    Yeah, my experience is mostly in small town and rural where the signal isn't that great to begin with. It could provide a lot of usable bandwidth expansion in more metro areas. I recently got something to try 600 MHz LTE. It makes a big difference in coverage availability, but the speed is not great, like 5 Mbps.

    For the record I was making fun of mmWave in my quote you copied. Even though T-Mobile has mmWave now in and around Dolphins Stadium I think outside of those sports arena, malls, casinos and outdoor concerts that mmWave is almost useless since it’s nonexistent penetration through almost anything. Any spectrum below 4 GHz has much better penetration properties than mmWave.[/QUOTE]

    I did not catch the humor there. All the carriers are just starting 5G. It is very early days. Vz is using what they have to get started. mm-Wave is all they have for now. Its usability for mobile cellphones is marginal at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobdevnul View Post
    My experience with using Sprint on band 25 (1.9 GHz) and T-Mo with bands 2 & 4 (1.9 & 1.7 GHz) was that it does not do well at all inside buildings. I would expect band 41 (2.6 GHz) to be even worse.

    It will be interesting to see what T-Mo can do with it.
    When Sprint enabled HPUE that made a huge difference on 2.5GHz indoors where I got it, I've actually been no less than 50Mbps in most places i've been testing the unlimited premium plan (I'm VERY impressed the work they've done in even a year)

    As far as 5G goes, give it 1-2yrs, it's in it's infancy. SOMEONE has to be "first" with something - just as verizon was with LTE but then they QUICKLY found out that 10x10MHz at 700MHz was nowhere near enough.

    The problem here is LTE is a damned good technology that has fast speeds *today*. HSPA+ and EvDO were reaching end of life, and quickly.. so LTE was the answer to that, but LTE still has quite a bit of life left in it, so I do not see the 5G race being quite as hardcore as the 3G -> LTE due to LTE being able to handle most if not all of our needs for the next few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    In 6 to 9 months we will see but band 41 is allowed to use HPUE that increases the transmitter power of your cell phone that isn’t available on band 2,4 and 25.
    Don't you need a special device to use HPUE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad15 View Post
    When Sprint enabled HPUE that made a huge difference on 2.5GHz indoors where I got it, I've actually been no less than 50Mbps in most places i've been testing the unlimited premium plan (I'm VERY impressed the work they've done in even a year)

    As far as 5G goes, give it 1-2yrs, it's in it's infancy. SOMEONE has to be "first" with something - just as verizon was with LTE but then they QUICKLY found out that 10x10MHz at 700MHz was nowhere near enough.

    The problem here is LTE is a damned good technology that has fast speeds *today*. HSPA+ and EvDO were reaching end of life, and quickly.. so LTE was the answer to that, but LTE still has quite a bit of life left in it, so I do not see the 5G race being quite as hardcore as the 3G -> LTE due to LTE being able to handle most if not all of our needs for the next few years.
    Nice to read some good real world experiences with the Sprint midband network.

    I look forward to seeing what T-Mobile will do with it going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by @TheRealDanny View Post
    Nice to read some good real world experiences with the Sprint midband network.

    I look forward to seeing what T-Mobile will do with it going forward.
    I'm amazed at the difference from even a year ago. I grabbed the "Premium Unlimited" to use in an unlocked 11ProMax to see about possibly getting the 100GB of hotspot grandfathered.



    I mean, this time last year in these same places I was getting 10-15Mbps at best on my Xs Max. This even included an overnight stay at a downtown Tampa hotel last night. Before anytime i'd go into a hotel above the 6th floor it would just crap out, I know it was not on DAS either, as I was still getting 100+ with only 1-2 bars of LTE.

    The upload speed *could* be better, but the sustained download speed has been respectable, and I REALLY hope that T-Mobile keeps Sprint's 2.5GHz small cell setup and just integrates it into T-Mobile's core as it seems to be VERY dense in urban areas.

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