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    Found a page about blocking calls on the Smartflip 4052R.

    https://www.att.com/device-support/a...l/Alcatel4052R

    It does allow blocking from the call list, but it says it sends them directly to voicemail. Which sounds like if voicemail is enabled, it just means spam in the spoolie can. Not really getting rid of the spammers if they go to voicemail because they use a different number each time.

    I guess it's a start, future phones may have better options.

    I took out my tiny AT&T ZTE z222 flip and sure like that phone. Wish they could still make them compact, the old ones looked and felt well made. I guess they figure the new market is interested in much larger screens not just smarter phones. As a pocket callbox, I still like the z222. The text is tiny but legible and it does pretty much what it needs to do. It lacks some modern features but it worked.



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    My AT&T Smartflip just arrived. Took quick pix before unboxing. Sorry for the so so picture quality but thought I'd post the shots and maybe later my impressions.

    I ordered the headset because I was getting tired of speakerphone to hear and be heard, and ear buds are hard for me to put on in a hurry, plus they fall out. I wanted something to jam on and go. The talk headset cost less than some earbuds at $10. Naturally it's mono so not designed for music. I'm hoping the boom mic improves quality.

    I'll probably activate the phone later this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelieBoot View Post
    My AT&T Smartflip just arrived. Took quick pix before unboxing. Sorry for the so so picture quality but thought I'd post the shots and maybe later my impressions.
    Nice - thanks for sharing! I find it a little odd for the branding that AT&T is selling it as an Alcatel SMARTFLIP. Typically this product line was branded as the Cingular Flip/Cingular Flip 2 (probably to keep that old trademark alive) and Alcatel wasn't really anywhere on the packaging. Cricket had an Alcatel QUICKFLIP and later a SMARTFLIP, so I'm curious what real-world Alcatel model numbers translate to which (not that it matters a whole lot—they all seem very similar except for a few little features).

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    I just fiddled around with the new flip to see what it could do. It's very much like the Alcatel MyFlip a405dl I use with TracFone. Yet, a few differences.

    The case is similar, but the 4052R is more rounded rather than squared off at the edges. The 4052R lacks a key on the case above the volume rocker which is the dedicated camera key on the Alcatel MyFlip.

    On the AT&T Smartflip, the dedicated camera key is on the navigation ring. Press down to open the camera.

    The 4052R keypad lacks a dedicated back button or a dedicated messaging key. BUT, the call end button serves as the back button on the 4052R throughout the menu in lieu of a dedicated button.

    For instance if I choose the menu by pressing the OK button at the homescreen, then using the navigation ring to move to a menu item, choose the item once it's highlighted by again pressing OK. Then I want to go back, there's no "back" at the bottom of the screen. If there was, I'd press the corresponding "soft key," but in this case I have to press the call end key and it takes me back one screen with each press.

    Usually pressing the call end key on flips would take me back to the homescreen, not go back one screen.

    The cam on the Smartflip and MyFlip are about the same. There's a zoom "slide" function on the screen. Press up on the nav ring to zoom in, down to zoom out. Self timer options of 3, 5, 10 seconds for taking a picture, choice of camera and video, video settings low, standard, and high.

    I set the phone up without the SIM using WiFi.

    The choice of wallpapers was very narrow, same with ringtones.

    I was able to get some nice wallpapers by going into the onboard KaiOS store. There's an app called Wallpaper World that has animals, cars, textures, nature, and it actually had some wallpapers to download that are much nicer than the preloaded ones. They don't take up much room in storage. I downloaded five and they use 196kb of 2.32gb available internal storage. The photos were pretty nice, but while browsing the choices, the Wallpaper World app popped Viagra ads, had to press DISMISS to go back to looking at wallpapers.

    The preloaded ringtones or wallpaper might be easily replaced with ones that can be downloaded from the user's computer by wired connection or Bluetoothed over.

    For call answer settings it has flip open to answer but not close to end call.

    I couldn't find a way to program the nav ring, it seems pre-set....
    Down, camera. Right, messaging. Up, shortcuts. Left, choose from the 4 icons on the home screen, KaiOS Store, Maps, YouTube, Google Assistant.

    The shortcuts on the 4052R accessible from the nav ring are pretty much the same ones the Alcatel My Flip A405DL has on the list (accessible on the MyFlip from the homescreen by pressing the "soft key" on the right corresponding to "shortcuts"). WiFi, Bluetooth, screen brightness, camera, airplane mode, cellular data. Just a basic on/off toggle.

    On the AT&T 4052R, the choices on the homescreen are, on the left, "notices," to the right, "contacts," and the middle is menu.

    The menu items can be moved up and down so you can see the ones you use most on the landing screen. It has a choice of Grid, list, or single view.

    I was able to sign in to Google and one of my Gmail emails. I tried to add my Outlook email but couldn't. It gave an error message when I added imap and smtp settings.

    But, by signing in to Google I was able to choose to import my Gmail contacts for the phone. Super fast to import all my contacts, much faster than figuring out how to sign in with the funky little cursor on the Google browser. I was pleased with that function.

    Overall, I wasn't super impressed by the phone. The AT&T 4052R is just a basic modern flip, plastic in feel.

    But, it does the basics a flip needs to do, it places calls, it texts (haven't tested texting because it's not activated).

    It has email, for quick checks to see if an important message has come through while out and about. Away from WiFi it'll use data to check email, naturally. So email on this phone could be optional.

    It should do for a simple plan, one that isn't meant for much web surfing. I don't think I want to do much texting by flip with the smartphone options these days, even with the flip's large keys, but I prefer a flip for answering and making calls. Obviously people who still want a flip want a pocket callbox, and for that this should be good for people in a strong AT&T service area. I'm in a rural town but it has good AT&T service.

    The KaiOs version is 2.5.2

    SW version ZX34UA40

    SKU S016C under the battery.
    SKU on box 6106C

    Model 4052R the model under the battery.

    If I find anything else worth mentioning I'll post later.



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    Some activation info from the paperwork that came with the phone.

    A card said setup with autopay accepted PayPal, besides the usual credit card, debit, or checking.

    Activation directly from the phone, power on and enter the activation code according to the chosen plan...

    "Also available" plan codes...
    (availability may have changed since this phone was packaged).

    $2/day plan (that's going up to $3 I think)
    Enter code, *123*zip code*02#
    Then press call button

    25˘/minute plan
    Enter code, *123*zip code*17#
    Then press call button

    The more expensive monthly plans also have codes,

    $30/mo
    *123*zip code*16#

    $35/mo
    *123*zip code*19#

    $50/mo
    *123*zip code*21#

    If you have trouble activating, go to att. com/prepaidplans or call 877.426.0525

    To update a SIM (if you want to swap an already active SIM into a new phone and it's the wrong size SIM for the new phone, use the new SIM and call to update the new SIM)
    800.901.9878
    Say "more options" at the menu, select 0 to speak to someone

    Additional assistance
    800.331.0500

    To add a prepaid card PIN from your phone... Enter on phone keypad,

    *888*PIN number#
    Press call key

    To check your balance.
    Enter on keypad,
    *777#
    Press call button.
    A message should arrive with the info.

    Can make a payment online at
    att.com/myprepaid

    Or, dial 611 from the cellphone

    Make a payment within 26 days of activation or the account will be canceled.

    Manage your account...

    Sign in using your 10 digit number
    Your initial password is the last four digits of your wireless number.
    When first signing in, a text message will be sent with a new password. Use this new password to complete login.

    For info.
    att.com/prepaidsupport

    I've included photos for folks who haven't activated an AT&T prepaid phone before.

    Sometimes the plans or prices change after a phone is packaged so you should check the plans online first. This is to show what came with the AT&T Smartflip I got at Best Buy.

    When I had the 25c/min plan, i could buy messaging packs from my phone balance, 4.99/200 messages and they rolled over if I renewed before 30 day expiration. No data packs, just pay by usage, I think 1c/5kb, but not sure of that, have to see if it's changed.

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    Playing with the AT&T Smartflip phone some more, I used the notepad and it was fairly easy (as standard flip keypads are) to make a note.

    I like the way the text case can be changed by pressing the # key. Press it in succession to change from all lower to all upper or to numbers, etc. It shows what is being chosen on the top of the screen.

    Line spacing is accomplished by pressing the ok button. To navigate around in the note, use the navigation ring. But the one harder to figure out was how to delete a mistake. If you mistype a letter, can delete it by pressing the "end call" button.

    I also checked out the messaging app. It allows the addition of a subject line like an email, which converts the message into an MMS. I REALLY like that feature because I write long texts. Converting it to an MMS concatenates the string of SMS texts into one long message. I just don't think I'll be doing many long messages on the flip.

    I also tested the new talk headset on a few phones.

    I tried it with the 4052R flip, switching on the radio. The reception here in the hills without a good tuner and a good antenna is sketchy at best, except with a really booming station. If I had gone outside it may have done better. I get better reception on a much older Alcatel flip I had on TracFone. But, if you live where there is a good selection of stations nearby, it'll probably be good with some nice stereo phones. The radio has a search function and also lets you tune manually, then save the station. There was no "enter frequency" function. Tuning up and down the band is by nav ring key. Left, down band, and right, up band. Of course, the mono talk set wasn't designed for music, so can't expect it to sound like a set that has stereo drivers.

    I tried the Insignia mono talk headset with my Moto e5, my ZTE zFiveG, the Alcatel MyFlip A405DL, and a ZTE z233VL flip.

    The plug wouldn't fit the Motorola e5. It wouldn't go all the way in.

    The headset fits my cheaper zFiveG smartphone just fine. The sound in a call for a mono headset is good. I used the TextFree app to make the call and volume can be adjusted from the phone or the inline volume switch on the headset.

    The headset also worked with the Alcatel MyFlip and the Z233VL.

    One thing with plugs, have to make sure they're pushed in all the way. I didn't push it in hard enough on the MyFlip and at first I thought it wasn't going to fit, but I pushed it harder and it went in. The sound was fine afterwards.

    Because the MyFlip is a lot like the Smartflip, I'm assuming if the headset works on the MyFlip, it'll be fine on the AT&T flip.

    I'm not sure why plugs don't always fit even if it's a 3.5mm plug/jack, but they don't always.

    Unfortunately the plug not fitting the Moto e5 is too bad because it is one of my active phones and I needed the headset for that as well as my other phones.

    I activate deactivated phones with Google Voice and free calling/texting apps like TextFree. So I'm able to make calls on SIMless phones (and my Fire 7 tablet).

    I perused the KaiOS store again and tried a few of the apps. MyFlip has pretty much the same store.

    I tried a battery app but all it told me was that it was 100% charged, so I deleted it again after installing it.

    I installed a weather app that tells the temperature. There are a few other weather related apps. My ZTE flip puts the weather on the homescreen, but this app just puts the weather app on the menu. I tried the solar compass app but it was way off. There is a GPS tracking app that's supposed to track walking. I may try that one.

    There are quite a few simple KaiOS store apps, not sure how good they are. Readers for docs and books, notepads, dictionary, translation, self help. Games, entertainment trivia, horoscopes, fortune cookie, even a simple app that pings the connection and tells the speed. In my case, since the AT&T hasn't been activated yet, the WiFi connection speed.

    The Smartflip will be worth the money I paid if it works well for calls. I'm satisfied with it.



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    The more I play with the new Smartflip the more I like it. I don't care for the boxy clamshell plastic aspect of how it feels or looks, but I do like what it can do.

    I browsed the KaiOS store and tried more mini apps. Some were deleted again because they didn't seem to work right, but I do like the world radio app.

    The music isn't very broad but it does have different types. Real old oldies would be cool, but I liked the selection.

    Some channels didn't work, like KFI from southern California, but most did.

    Most of the Canadian stations were only allowed for Canadian listeners. Which I thought was strange given they were included on a world radio app. Would think they'd put stations on the app that are friendly to worldwide listeners.

    I used to listen on shortwave when I was on top of the hill surrounded by hundreds of feet of wire antennas. Super reception. Now I'm lucky to get a few FM stations, so this little flip radio is welcome, although it's not shortwave. I still have my Grundig radios, just not the wire loops. A really cheap radio can get great reception with the right antennas.

    The phone is worth a shot and I don't mean target practice, I really think I'm going to like it. Maybe not for the styling, I liked my old Sony flip (eye candy screen quality and an Opera Mini quality browser), but maybe flips will gain popularity again and there'll be an increase in build quality, not just better internals. (PleaseOhPlease ).







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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelieBoot View Post
    The phone is worth a shot and I don't mean target practice, I really think I'm going to like it. Maybe not for the styling, I liked my old Sony flip (eye candy screen quality and an Opera Mini quality browser), but maybe flips will gain popularity again and there'll be an increase in build quality, not just better internals. (PleaseOhPlease ).
    Have you seen the Samsung Galaxy Z Flip and Galaxy Z Flip 5G? Interesting, but so expensive.

    ‘The phone is worth a shot and I don't mean target practice’ — has got to be the quote of the day. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Night_Owl View Post
    Have you seen the Samsung Galaxy Z Flip and Galaxy Z Flip 5G? Interesting, but so expensive.

    ‘The phone is worth a shot and I don't mean target practice’ — has got to be the quote of the day. LOL
    Thanks for the comment, Night_Owl.

    After reading your post, I looked up the folder phone. I'd heard of it before but hadn't thought much about it because too spendy for my budget.

    At one time I thought the design might be a good idea, could use one side for keypad and the other of course for screen, so keypad wouldn't interfere with the view. That does work, but now I'm thinking it could be a little cumbersome. I guess answering calls is possible with the folder closed.

    It at least increases screen size with it open, yet folds to fit in pocket.

    I think I'd rather see a flip more like the older physical keypad Moto Razr or Sony Ericsson (i had a z750) updated with better specs, but similar body & pad style. The Dura flips are nice looking.

    While looking at the Samsung folder, I decided to go see what flips are still out there. It wasn't an in depth search but it didn't take long to hit the 3g wall.

    It's really annoying how many archaic flips pop up for sale. If I didn't know they were 2g or 3g, I would've been thrilled because those old flips are nicely designed. I wonder how many people buy them thinking they can use them. Sellers have a right to sell them, but there should be a warning in the listing that they are too old to activate.

    That being said, I just reactivated my old 3g ZTE z222 flip on H20 Wireless. So some 3g handsets might be useful until AT&T shuts down 3g handset activations. I got the z222 for $10 in 2015 i think. I wouldn't buy a 3g set now, but I already had that one.



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    I put my already activated H20 Wireless SIM in my AT&T Smartflip and it updated fine but now a couple of days later it's saying it wants to do an AT&T update (not H20).

    I didn't do the update because I'm worried it could overwrite my H20 update.

    It's not unlocked although i submitted an unlock request as a non customer well over a week ago.

    I can avoid the update but when I restart the phone, it shows up again. As long as I can opt out, not worried. But just wonder what sort of update it might be. Probably security patch is my guess.



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