Am I on 5G? I have the icon, but no N anything. I'm on Unlimited Starter.

[Serial Port]

Just so we’re abundantly clear— this behavior is not unique to AT&T. It’s called Upper Layer Indicator and is used by T-Mobile and Verizon as well.

Fair enough, but the OP's profile indicates At&t as the carrier and the post is in the At&t forum, hence my response.

[skyhawk214]

Yes, that is the correct one for at&t

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Is it necessarily a bad thing that the HPLNM isn't the one for AT&T?

[sheytoon]

Seems like I should be on 5G, because if it was LTE it should say 4G LTE or at least 5Ge. The coverage map says I should have 5G in my area. This was taken at the Safeway in Maple Valley, WA. I'm using an AT&T locked Galaxy S20 FE 5G with the Unlimited Starter plan. .

As others have said, it just means the LTE cell is configured with upper layer indicator, which usually means it's configured as an NSA anchor. You don't have an active 5G connection in that screenshot, but your phone is looking for one.

[skyhawk214]

As others have said, it just means the LTE cell is configured with upper layer indicator, which usually means it's configured as an NSA anchor. You don't have an active 5G connection in that screenshot, but your phone is looking for one.

Is there still a 4G LTE icon in the AT&T firmware, just in case you're not in a 5G or 5Ge area? Or is it just 5G, or 5Ge and that's it.

[skyhawk214]

Yes it should be, that's odd it's a T-Mobile code

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Should I be worried that number is 310-280 (T-Mobile) and not 310-410 (AT&T)? My S20 FE 5G is an AT&T branded phone, that I got from an AT&T store.

[BentleyBeard]

Is there still a 4G LTE icon in the AT&T firmware, just in case you're not in a 5G or 5Ge area? Or is it just 5G, or 5Ge and that's it.

4G LTE icons are still used in places that are not 5G Evolution, 5G, or 5G+ areas.


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[skyhawk214]

4G LTE icons are still used in places that are not 5G Evolution, 5G, or 5G+ areas.


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Does my S20 FE 5G support 5G+?

[jakeuten]

Does my S20 FE 5G support 5G+?

No it does not.


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[Joeybutts]

4G LTE icons are still used in places that are not 5G Evolution, 5G, or 5G+ areas.


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Upstate NY and eastern long Island show 4G LTE on band 12 and 14, but on mid band-5G with an NR connection to band 5.

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[i0wnj00]

Is there still a 4G LTE icon in the AT&T firmware, just in case you're not in a 5G or 5Ge area? Or is it just 5G, or 5Ge and that's it.

Yes, just noticed the LTE on my iPhone when passing through a few US airports and at my mothers house.

[brad15]

4G LTE icons are still used in places that are not 5G Evolution, 5G, or 5G+ areas.


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Which is still beyond stupid, as 5Ge is *still* LTE. Just some upgrades in that area that particular AT&T put off for far too long, then had to rebrand as something else instead of admitting they just did upgrades late *rolleyes

[blkballoon925]

Just so we’re abundantly clear— this behavior is not unique to AT&T. It’s called Upper Layer Indicator and is used by T-Mobile and Verizon as well.


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I've seen this discussed elsewhere, but it's not 100% clear to me because I've seen combinations of the 5Ge indicator that don't make sense to me.

Is the R15 ULI the flag that devices on AT&T use to choose whether to display the "5Ge" network indicator? Or is there some combination of criteria which all have to be met, perhaps something like HPLMN and PLMN must be 310-410 (to make "5Ge" exclusive to AT&T) + ULI support flag + 256QAM support?

I'm just curious how that ULI fits into areas where 5G is not live, but still show 5Ge. My market has had 5Ge showing up on some cell sites for well over a year, but with no 5G NR channels up yet (waiting on DSS). I've seen another market where 5G NR is active on B5, but the LTE network indicator on LTE-only devices still shows LTE. How does that align with the ULI indicator?

[jakeuten]

I've seen this discussed elsewhere, but it's not 100% clear to me because I've seen combinations of the 5Ge indicator that don't make sense to me.

Is the R15 ULI the flag that devices on AT&T use to choose whether to display the "5Ge" network indicator? Or is there some combination of criteria which all have to be met, perhaps something like HPLMN and PLMN must be 310-410 (to make "5Ge" exclusive to AT&T) + ULI support flag + 256QAM support?

R15 ULI is for actual NR only. 5Ge is done by TAC where X% of sites within the TAC support a variety of things like 4x4 MIMO, 3CA or higher, and 256QAM. You can be in a 5Ge area and be on a B12 only site.

I'm just curious how that ULI fits into areas where 5G is not live, but still show 5Ge. My market has had 5Ge showing up on some cell sites for well over a year, but with no 5G NR channels up yet (waiting on DSS). I've seen another market where 5G NR is active on B5, but the LTE network indicator on LTE-only devices still shows LTE. How does that align with the ULI indicator?

ULI doesn’t have anything to do with LTE-only devices. I live in one of said markets— my phone displays “LTE” when not on 5G. ULI just means that the site you’re on is capable of being an anchor for 5G NSA. ULI and 5Ge are not at all related.



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[gsmseattle]

I got my S20+ on Firstnet in June. Im in Seattle and I have never seen anything better than 5ge.
They swapped my sim and still no change.
They told me there aren't many towers and I have to be right next to them.

[skyhawk214]

I got my S20+ on Firstnet in June. Im in Seattle and I have never seen anything better than 5ge.
They swapped my sim and still no change.
They told me there aren't many towers and I have to be right next to them.

Interesting. Whenever I get a 5G signal (not 5Ge), I don't get anything more than 80 or 90Mbps down.