Fcc takes back dish licenses

[Theghostlad82]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...aw-back-to-fcc

Not exactly 100% related to tmobile, but do believe these are dish's 600 licenses. If so tmobile will have a chance to win them in auction if the appeal doesn't work, and this could be a major blow to dish as a wireless provider.

[jakeuten]

They're Dish's AWS3 licenses.

https://www.lightreading.com/open-ran/dish-facing-$33b-in-spectrum-troubles---reports/d/d-id/765546?

[Theghostlad82]

They're Dish's AWS3 licenses.

https://www.lightreading.com/open-ran/dish-facing-$33b-in-spectrum-troubles---reports/d/d-id/765546?

Thanks, the article really didn't really mention which ones they were, or I just missed it. Dish's aws-3 licenses suddenly going up for grabs is pretty big. I can see all 3 carriers having a big interest in bidding for them.

[jmac32here]

They're Dish's AWS3 licenses.

https://www.lightreading.com/open-ran/dish-facing-$33b-in-spectrum-troubles---reports/d/d-id/765546?

Well, this may make the spectrum offer from T-Mobile to Dish more appealing to Dish then, even if it is only 800/850MHz.

[DRNewcomb]

I feel really bad for Charlie.

[Theghostlad82]

I feel really bad for Charlie.

I personally think giving dish boost mobile was a mistake. If the DOJ was going to approve the merger, the best thing for boost customers was for tmobile to keep boost mobile and begin a slow transfer of boost customers to metro or tmobile prepaid. Dish is a mess and Charlie is a tool. The problem was you had people like peter adderton yelling that boost needed to be spun off. By all reports boost is now bleeding customers like crazy and really has no plans in place to grow. Oh, except for some magical future 5g network that we will be lucky to ever see exist.

[bobdevnul]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...aw-back-to-fcc

Not exactly 100% related to tmobile, but do believe these are dish's 600 licenses. If so tmobile will have a chance to win them in auction if the appeal doesn't work, and this could be a major blow to dish as a wireless provider.

Thanks for the info. I am enjoying a schadenfreude moment. Karma is a ***** don't you know.

They will probably weasel out of it just like they have before.

[Theghostlad82]

Well, this may make the spectrum offer from T-Mobile to Dish more appealing to Dish then, even if it is only 800/850MHz.

With what money. That's going to be the issue with that. The best thing for sprints 800 licenses is either they are auctioned off to another carrier or tmobile keeps them, at least that way you know they will be used, instead of squatted on for years.

[jmac32here]

With what money. That's going to be the issue with that. The best thing for sprints 800 licenses is either they are auctioned off to another carrier or tmobile keeps them, at least that way you know they will be used, instead of squatted on for years.

With Charlie's history, there is a point there.
Yet, we have yet to see if anything will come of this, especially now that Dish.com is advertising their Wireless "business."

[zapjb]

Is Boost bleeding subscribers yet?

[Theghostlad82]

With Charlie's history, there is a point there.
Yet, we have yet to see if anything will come of this, especially now that Dish.com is advertising their Wireless "business."

I don't doubt Charlie has large wireless dreams, do doubt he will ever execute them to the promised standards he set. What I have a feeling will happen is dish will meet the lowest buildout requirements they can, then sell off to somebody (a google or maybe even a big cable provider). There are provisions in the tmobile merger agreement that prevents them from selling assets for a few years, but, I personally feel when they are allowed to, they will sell. Wonder what ever happened to those big secret investors Charlie hinted at during the antitrust trial... They seemed to have vanished lol.

[Theghostlad82]

Is Boost bleeding subscribers yet?

Yes. Dish reported losses of 212,000 boost subscribers during q3 2020.

[L33]

Surprised they're still in business.

[jmac32here]

Yes. Dish reported losses of 212,000 boost subscribers during q3 2020.

Even with that loss, they still gained .1 million subs since the acquisition.
"As of September 30, 2020, we had 9.418 million retail wireless subscribers."

They also go into some details as to how they are currently offering both pre-paid and post-paid wireless services using both the Boost and Ting brands as "a mobile virtual network operator (“MVNO”) while we build our 5G broadband network."
https://ir.dish.com/static-files/732...9-71b32cccc779

Also, it does appear they are getting serious about a network build, aside from the wording used in their press release above regarding the build, they just inked a "long-term deal with Crown Castle for up to 20K towers."
https://www.fiercewireless.com/finan...-to-20k-towers

Again, only time will tell as to what will happen with Dish Wireless, but they are seeming to get more aggressive in getting into the wireless industry, especially considering that after the Boost deal, they inked the buyout of Ting along with the partnership of Ting's former parent, Tucows as a technology partner for wireless service.
https://www.lightreading.com/4g3gwif.../d/d-id/762893
https://www.fiercewireless.com/opera...etail-platform
https://about.dish.com/2020-08-03-DI...-Mobile-assets

I also noticed that Dish not only changed the plans on Boost (bringing back Shrink-it), but also have changed the plan structure on Ting, offering the classic "Flex" ($10 + $5/GB) plan, a set (5 GB) plan, and two "Unlimited" (22 GB and 35 GB). All plans include LTE/5G with unlimited 2G if you go over, with the exception of Flex.
https://ting.com/

[Theghostlad82]

Even with that loss, they still gained .1 million subs since the acquisition.
"As of September 30, 2020, we had 9.418 million retail wireless subscribers."

They also go into some details as to how they are currently offering both pre-paid and post-paid wireless services using both the Boost and Ting brands as "a mobile virtual network operator (“MVNO”) while we build our 5G broadband network."
https://ir.dish.com/static-files/732...9-71b32cccc779

Also, it does appear they are getting serious about a network build, aside from the wording used in their press release above regarding the build, they just inked a "long-term deal with Crown Castle for up to 20K towers."
https://www.fiercewireless.com/finan...-to-20k-towers

Again, only time will tell as to what will happen with Dish Wireless, but they are seeming to get more aggressive in getting into the wireless industry, especially considering that after the Boost deal, they inked the buyout of Ting along with the partnership of Ting's former parent, Tucows as a technology partner for wireless service.
https://www.lightreading.com/4g3gwif.../d/d-id/762893
https://www.fiercewireless.com/opera...etail-platform
https://about.dish.com/2020-08-03-DI...-Mobile-assets

I also noticed that Dish not only changed the plans on Boost (bringing back Shrink-it), but also have changed the plan structure on Ting, offering the classic "Flex" ($10 + $5/GB) plan, a set (5 GB) plan, and two "Unlimited" (22 GB and 35 GB). All plans include LTE/5G with unlimited 2G if you go over, with the exception of Flex.
https://ting.com/

They didn't add 1 million subs, they bought tings customer base of 271,000. Boost mobile under dish has been a crap show. If their target customer base is old people who use less than 5gb of data a month, they are doing their best to reach that base with their plans, unfortunately this also means they will continue to bleed subs. Maybe they figure since that's their tv base, it should be their wireless base also? Problem is, their tv base is bleeding also. Is there a market for low volume data use plans? Sure, if you are a mvnos with no brick and mortar stores to support, and have a small number of employees to support, you can be profitable topping out at around 3-5 million subs, with an arpu of around $20-$25 a month, if you are expected to be the nation's 4th wireless carrier, with stores and a large employee base to support, you cannot.

They currently do not offer any type of postpaid product, as ting and boost are both prepaid providers. Their unlimited offerings on both ting and boost are outdated and a joke to be honest. Why would anyone pay ting or boost $50-60 a month for 35gb of hard capped data, when they could pay mint $35 for the same amount on the same network? Their pricing doesn't make sense. Again if the goal is to have around 4-5 million users all paying $10-15 a month for service, they may do fine, unfortunately this isn't the goal, nor will this accomplish much for them.

As far as their crown castle deal, it's meaningless until something actually happens. Dish has already backed away from their claims of a single market launch by 2020, now it's sometime in the first quarter of 2021. They may get that single market launch sometime in 2021, you figure they have to get at least one market up and running, right?


Approving the sprint/T-Mobile deal was 100% the right call for the doj and fcc. Sprint had valuable assets that could be used to benefit millions of users and no resources to deploy those assets. T-Mobile had the resources and needed the assets to compete head on with at&t and verizon. But, involving dish as a 4th carrier option was a huge mistake. What would of been best for those 9+ million boost users would of been for tmobile to keep boost, and allow them to migrate those customers to their own prepaid brand. Dish is a circus, led by a clown.