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    ATT Promises to steal mobile customers from rivals

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    Good luck. Been saying for years how badly AT&T needs to densify. Verizon's got small cells all over the place near me, tons of mmWave in cities and even on suburban neighborhood street corners, and speeds that are often faster deprioritized than AT&T on QCI7.

    If they want to "steal" customers from Verizon and T-Mobile, they need to get latency under control (it has been 80+ms for over a month now), get upload CA going to improve abysmal upload speeds (especially with B12 PCC), and densify so that you're not stuck on B12-only in the suburbs and rural areas.

    Until that's done, I can't see how anybody's going to come to AT&T: T-Mobile's got the lock on low-cost service, and Verizon still has the most robust, fastest network at a premium price. AT&T seems to be trying to ride the middle, but over the past couple years they've been too busy wasting money on entertainment and other "side projects," while the competition's continuous investments in upgrades are pushing AT&T closer to T-Mobile/Sprint-level quality at a near-Verizon price.


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    I’m shocked AT&T hasn’t deployed uplink CA to their entire network given the uplink advantage inherent to their competitors’ higher number of 20+20 MHz midband licenses. Uplink CA is the only way for AT&T to compete with those “wideband” contiguous channels. (Quotes around “wideband” because a 20 MHz channel being considered wide is pretty quaint now that we have 800 MHz wide channels in operation.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by VVivian View Post
    I’m shocked AT&T hasn’t deployed uplink CA to their entire network given the uplink advantage inherent to their competitors’ higher number of 20+20 MHz midband licenses. Uplink CA is the only way for AT&T to compete with those “wideband” contiguous channels. (Quotes around “wideband” because a 20 MHz channel being considered wide is pretty quaint now that we have 800 MHz wide channels in operation.)
    AT&T has had UL CA deployed across their entire network for at least 2 years, maybe 3. Devices support limited combos, so it isn’t used as much as it could be if the current devices supported more combos.
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    Only thing att will do is steal from their customers with all the garbage fees especially on postpaid

    Kidding but they need to add to the density if they want to truly compete long term. Att network has been working really well for me now, better than anyone else so hopefully it stays that way

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    Quote Originally Posted by blkballoon925 View Post
    Good luck. Been saying for years how badly AT&T needs to densify. Verizon's got small cells all over the place near me, tons of mmWave in cities and even on suburban neighborhood street corners, and speeds that are often faster deprioritized than AT&T on QCI7.

    If they want to "steal" customers from Verizon and T-Mobile, they need to get latency under control (it has been 80+ms for over a month now), get upload CA going to improve abysmal upload speeds (especially with B12 PCC), and densify so that you're not stuck on B12-only in the suburbs and rural areas.

    Until that's done, I can't see how anybody's going to come to AT&T: T-Mobile's got the lock on low-cost service, and Verizon still has the most robust, fastest network at a premium price. AT&T seems to be trying to ride the middle, but over the past couple years they've been too busy wasting money on entertainment and other "side projects," while the competition's continuous investments in upgrades are pushing AT&T closer to T-Mobile/Sprint-level quality at a near-Verizon price.
    They led the industry last quarter in postpaid phone adds. Seems they are doing just fine honestly. Wouldn't be surprised if they lead the industry this quarter as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blkballoon925 View Post
    Good luck. Been saying for years how badly AT&T needs to densify. Verizon's got small cells all over the place near me, tons of mmWave in cities and even on suburban neighborhood street corners, and speeds that are often faster deprioritized than AT&T on QCI7.

    If they want to "steal" customers from Verizon and T-Mobile, they need to get latency under control (it has been 80+ms for over a month now), get upload CA going to improve abysmal upload speeds (especially with B12 PCC), and densify so that you're not stuck on B12-only in the suburbs and rural areas.

    Until that's done, I can't see how anybody's going to come to AT&T: T-Mobile's got the lock on low-cost service, and Verizon still has the most robust, fastest network at a premium price. AT&T seems to be trying to ride the middle, but over the past couple years they've been too busy wasting money on entertainment and other "side projects," while the competition's continuous investments in upgrades are pushing AT&T closer to T-Mobile/Sprint-level quality at a near-Verizon price.
    Sounds like they're the worst in your market. Thankfully, NYC Boroughs, they've been adding some macro's and small cells like crazy and still adding them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joeybutts View Post
    Sounds like they're the worst in your market. Thankfully, NYC Boroughs, they've been adding some macro's and small cells like crazy and still adding them.

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    ATT Promises to steal mobile customers from rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by blkballoon925 View Post
    Good luck. Been saying for years how badly AT&T needs to densify. Verizon's got small cells all over the place near me, tons of mmWave in cities and even on suburban neighborhood street corners, and speeds that are often faster deprioritized than AT&T on QCI7.

    If they want to "steal" customers from Verizon and T-Mobile, they need to get latency under control (it has been 80+ms for over a month now), get upload CA going to improve abysmal upload speeds (especially with B12 PCC), and densify so that you're not stuck on B12-only in the suburbs and rural areas.

    Until that's done, I can't see how anybody's going to come to AT&T: T-Mobile's got the lock on low-cost service, and Verizon still has the most robust, fastest network at a premium price. AT&T seems to be trying to ride the middle, but over the past couple years they've been too busy wasting money on entertainment and other "side projects," while the competition's continuous investments in upgrades are pushing AT&T closer to T-Mobile/Sprint-level quality at a near-Verizon price.
    I do not put much stock in anecdotal experiences when it comes to general network quality. The area you are in doesn’t represent everyone’s experience with AT&T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blkballoon925 View Post
    Good luck. Been saying for years how badly AT&T needs to densify. Verizon's got small cells all over the place near me, tons of mmWave in cities and even on suburban neighborhood street corners, and speeds that are often faster deprioritized than AT&T on QCI7.

    If they want to "steal" customers from Verizon and T-Mobile, they need to get latency under control (it has been 80+ms for over a month now), get upload CA going to improve abysmal upload speeds (especially with B12 PCC), and densify so that you're not stuck on B12-only in the suburbs and rural areas.

    Until that's done, I can't see how anybody's going to come to AT&T: T-Mobile's got the lock on low-cost service, and Verizon still has the most robust, fastest network at a premium price. AT&T seems to be trying to ride the middle, but over the past couple years they've been too busy wasting money on entertainment and other "side projects," while the competition's continuous investments in upgrades are pushing AT&T closer to T-Mobile/Sprint-level quality at a near-Verizon price.
    Verizon and TMobile also wasted money on entertainment lol. Verizon purchased Yahoo and tried to have exclusive content and TMobile with the TV service they purchased lol. Nonetheless in my experiences while traveling AT&T and Verizon are pretty much tit for tat. I wouldn't put them in third as far as service go. With the combined sprint and t-mobile they may technically be third based on number of customers but they still kill T-mobile as far as service and hangs right with Verizon. Everywhere Verizon works my AT&T phone works with the exception of a few places but its a trade off because there are places where AT&T works but Verizon doesn't but for the most part they both work. Nonetheless with AT&T being refocused on their core business I feel like they have a shot at overtaking Verizon


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjennings2510 View Post
    ...With the combined sprint and t-mobile they [AT&T] may technically be third based on number of customers...
    T-Mobile's claim that they have achieved second place in customer count is base on their cherry-picked metric of the customer count that ignores a lot of AT&T customer lines. AT&T is still second overall.

    T-Mo has done amazing things coming from a distant third behind Sprint. This is very good for competition in the cell service market. But they still have a long way to go to be on par with Verizon and AT&T overall.

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    I’m on 55+ T-Mobile one plan grandfathered @ $60 with one plus promo free. If AT&T matched this with taxes and fees included they will win my business

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWDude49120 View Post
    AT&T has had UL CA deployed across their entire network for at least 2 years, maybe 3. Devices support limited combos, so it isn’t used as much as it could be if the current devices supported more combos.
    Is there a list of devices that support AT&T UL CA, besides for newish iPhones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zspa710 View Post
    Is there a list of devices that support AT&T UL CA, besides for newish iPhones?
    see this article - https://www.fiercewireless.com/wirel...on-lte-network

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