Dish - Genesis is "up and running"?

[SoNic67]

Dish says it launched 5G service the day before it faces millions of dollars in fines.
The company’s website for Project Genesis (that’s what it’s calling this whole endeavor) has been updated to state that it’s “live in 120 cities” with a link to “order now.”
It’s still not entirely clear that Dish has met the requirements. Dish has yet to formally announce the service’s launch.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/14/2...-cities-launch

[SoNic67]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/15/2...sues-addresses

The problems started pretty much as soon as I hit launch.genesis5g.com. Clicking on the “order now” button, I was prompted to enter my email and home address. But once I did, the site told me I didn’t have a valid address — not that the service wasn’t available at my house but that the address I had entered (correctly, I checked, several times) wasn’t right.
It didn’t appear to be limited to just my building; my colleagues and I tried entering addresses in several supposedly supported cities, but the site would tell us they were invalid. To be clear, this wasn’t a situation where we were incorrectly formatting the addresses. (Project Genesis’ website suggests addresses to you and lets you autofill the form using them.) It was saying that the addresses it had provided weren’t acceptable.

[bobdevnul]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/15/2...sues-addresses

I'm betting that Charlie sleazed on this one and it is a sham to try and avoid paying the penalties for what they promised to do.

[SoNic67]

Of course!
I was so tempted to get one, at only $399, because it's available in my area! I mean, I already have a S22+, but they don't allow BYOD (like a SIM or eSIM).
Maybe their S22 has a special juice inside, who knows? I doubt it.

[Haas_Dave]

Ordered the device and service, and should know more firsthand in a few days as I received the shipping notification.
I was already tempted to move to the S22 as my next device, so this is a reasonable compromise. Eventually I will get the device unlocked so I can run my Sprint T-Mobile line on it as well.

From what I have already read elsewhere, and seen from doing some network searching, they will be using a combination of their 5G and either VoNR (while on their network) or VoLTE from a partner network (primarily AT&T). Dish's network is running in my metro, but it looks like only on n71 in my residential area.

The service is currently eSIM only, and from what I gather they did this with only certain devices (the Moto edge+ is available in Vegas only currently) so they know the devices can handle network switching. So they may be doing a bit of the same stuff Fi is doing, which makes sense the S22 series is also designed for Fi.

Will obviously be doing more when I get my device going.


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[offthegrid]

My understanding was that Dish was unable to switch calls from their own VoNR to either AT&T or Tmobile VoLTE so for now it will stick with VoLTE till they can figure it out.

The projected coverage maps for 2023 in the northeast look at least in low detail excellent. Kind of odd though for a 4th national network to 'launch' still call it beta and have no coverage maps at all imo.

Neither of those phones they are allowing support band n70 either, the newest Moto Stylus though does.

[SoNic67]

The service is currently eSIM only

That's why I don't get the limitation. I have a factory unlocked S22+, with eSIM capability, I would be tempted to try them out, while keeping the current carrier (SIM).
Buying a S22 just for that, even at reduced price of $399 seems a waste. eWaste that is...

[SoNic67]

I will just leave the link here, since Google seems not to find it easy (surprised?):

https://launch.genesis5g.com/

And the link with the official press release (scroll down):
https://www.dishwireless.com/home

[Haas_Dave]

My understanding was that Dish was unable to switch calls from their own VoNR to either AT&T or Tmobile VoLTE so for now it will stick with VoLTE till they can figure it out.

The projected coverage maps for 2023 in the northeast look at least in low detail excellent. Kind of odd though for a 4th national network to 'launch' still call it beta and have no coverage maps at all imo.

Neither of those phones they are allowing support band n70 either, the newest Moto Stylus though does.

Until they get VoNR working in more markets, you're probably right.

I don’t think they will have n70 running for the better part of a year at least. They may want to wait until OEMs catch up to provide users an option for it. I looked at the specs for the Moto Stylus and it seems meh and the branding is confusing since the 2022 version has a LTE only model, and at least two 5G models so far and I honestly can’t tell what the unlocked model has for band support from details they and Best Buy have posted.


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[Haas_Dave]

That's why I don't get the limitation. I have a factory unlocked S22+, with eSIM capability, I would be tempted to try them out, while keeping the current carrier (SIM).
Buying a S22 just for that, even at reduced price of $399 seems a waste. eWaste that is...

Figured out why, they are using a hybrid setup on the S22. Similar to how Fi could use a second IMEI to handle the legacy Sprint network, the eSIM and its IMEI is the one authorizing the Dish NR SA network where it is available while the Physical SIM handles the AT&T end and the IMS part of the device. The software on the device appears to handle the network switching for data. The device needs both SIMs to run, as removing the Physical SIM drops the service to emergency only. Using just the Physical SIM will not be a viable option as you lose Dish's native network and they supposed will disconnect you after prolonged use on a unauthorized device.

Even if they opened BOYD just for S22 series, one would lose being able to use a second carrier’s SIM. It may take a while before BOYD is even an option. Obviously iPhones will not be part of this, as it may require implementing Dish's specific switching setup in iOS.

According to what I heard from others the device should be available to unlock easily. I haven’t asked about it yet. The CSC on my device is showing as DSA/DSA,DSG/DSH so it might work for Boost SIMs but I haven’t checked personally.


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[truefan31]

Figured out why, they are using a hybrid setup on the S22. Similar to how Fi could use a second IMEI to handle the legacy Sprint network, the eSIM and its IMEI is the one authorizing the Dish NR SA network where it is available while the Physical SIM handles the AT&T end and the IMS part of the device. The software on the device appears to handle the network switching for data. The device needs both SIMs to run, as removing the Physical SIM drops the service to emergency only. Using just the Physical SIM will not be a viable option as you lose Dish's native network and they supposed will disconnect you after prolonged use on a unauthorized device.

Even if they opened BOYD just for S22 series, one would lose being able to use a second carrier’s SIM. It may take a while before BOYD is even an option. Obviously iPhones will not be part of this, as it may require implementing Dish's specific switching setup in iOS.

According to what I heard from others the device should be available to unlock easily. I haven’t asked about it yet. The CSC on my device is showing as DSA/DSA,DSG/DSH so it might work for Boost SIMs but I haven’t checked personally.


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What about the m6 hotspot? Works the same way?


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[Haas_Dave]

What about the m6 hotspot? Works the same way?


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I can’t answer that as I didn’t buy of those hotspots. You have to set up a separate account to purchase that (by that I mean one device per account), and it currently isn’t something I am interested in using.

They did a recall during shipment many of those M6s that were ordered in the last week, so maybe Dish came across an issue to force a recall.


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[truefan31]

I can’t answer that as I didn’t buy of those hotspots. You have to set up a separate account to purchase that (by that I mean one device per account), and it currently isn’t something I am interested in using.

They did a recall during shipment many of those M6s that were ordered in the last week, so maybe Dish came across an issue to force a recall.


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Interesting. I wonder if the dish version m6 pro supports any additional bands vs the att branded one………


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[SoNic67]

Even if they opened BOYD just for S22 series, one would lose being able to use a second carrier’s SIM. It may take a while before BOYD is even an option.
According to what I heard from others the device should be available to unlock easily. I haven’t asked about it yet. The CSC on my device is showing as DSA/DSA,DSG/DSH so it might work for Boost SIMs but I haven’t checked personally.

Thanks!
I was thinking to use my current provider (SIM, Verizon) with their eSIM, but I see that, in this setup, might not work. They might have exclusive AT&T contracts.

Sound like unlocking and then flashing an U1 firmware might make it a good spare S22 phone. At $399 is not bad.

[Haas_Dave]

Thanks!
I was thinking to use my current provider (SIM, Verizon) with their eSIM, but I see that, in this setup, might not work. They might have exclusive AT&T contracts.

Sound like unlocking and then flashing an U1 firmware might make it a good spare S22 phone. At $399 is not bad.

Yeah, it’s complicated. The eSIM also sees T-Mobile but it also is currently showing as emergency only. That might change with the recent network agreement updates that are pending DOJ approval. Since T-Mobile is starting to roll out VoNR, they might end up being the primary partner going forward. Time will tell.

It sounds like the Boost Mobile unlocking policy is also in effect for this setup, so officially one year of active service.
I haven’t found pricing for third party unlocking yet.


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