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    T-Mobile Open Signal Study Results

    Here are the latest results posted on 9 to 5 Mac about TM's dominance in 5G.

    https://9to5mac.com/2022/07/12/t-mob...-availability/

    Now for the "Yeah, But..." crowd in 3, 2, 1,

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    I have no problem with it... competition is good.
    If 5G service today was the only service available and usable, then T-Mobile has it hands down, especially in my area.
    Since it isn't ... and other carriers have better service in many other locations that are not 5G (often including T-Mobile), its a 'what ever' attitude.
    AT&T... your world, throttled.

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    It will be a few more years before AT&T and Verizon will be able to challenge or overtake T-Mobile's lead in the 5G department. There are those who say that both these carriers are currently adding and upgrading hundreds of sites all over the country so that in 2024 when they can actually turn C-Band on nationwide that there will be an immediate huge area of coverage, but based on past experience, I would guess that there will be the normal slow roll-out into "select cities".

    Some of that "past experience" is from just recently when AT&T and Verizon turned C-Band on in the 46 Market PEA's where they are currently allowed to provide service and how some of those market areas have only a couple of sites enabled right now since that initial turn-on. AT&T doesn't even show their C-Band service areas on their coverage maps, nor have they even posted a list of cities where the service exists. It is a total mystery what AT&T is doing. Also, neither AT&T nor Verizon has done any meaningful expansion of their low-band 5G coverage in a long time. AT&T has added a few sites in the past couple of years but Verizon has done virtually nothing with low-band.

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    Kinda surprised it took that long. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwdewey View Post
    It will be a few more years before AT&T and Verizon will be able to challenge or overtake T-Mobile's lead in the 5G department. There are those who say that both these carriers are currently adding and upgrading hundreds of sites all over the country so that in 2024 when they can actually turn C-Band on nationwide that there will be an immediate huge area of coverage, but based on past experience, I would guess that there will be the normal slow roll-out into "select cities".

    Some of that "past experience" is from just recently when AT&T and Verizon turned C-Band on in the 46 Market PEA's where they are currently allowed to provide service and how some of those market areas have only a couple of sites enabled right now since that initial turn-on. AT&T doesn't even show their C-Band service areas on their coverage maps, nor have they even posted a list of cities where the service exists. It is a total mystery what AT&T is doing. Also, neither AT&T nor Verizon has done any meaningful expansion of their low-band 5G coverage in a long time. AT&T has added a few sites in the past couple of years but Verizon has done virtually nothing with low-band.
    It will be several years before T-Mobile catches Verizon and AT&T For the overall “better” network and coverage. The only reason why T-Mobile is ahead in “5G” is because the merger went thru two years ago .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Checker79 View Post
    It will be several years before T-Mobile catches Verizon and AT&T For the overall “better” network and coverage. The only reason why T-Mobile is ahead in “5G” is because the merger went thru two years ago .
    That is a different subject than that of the referenced article. The article is about the fact that T-Mobile is currently FAR ahead of the other two carriers in total 5G deployment and coverage. Virtually their entire network is 5G, whether it be low-band or mid-band while AT&T and Verizon's networks only have a very small percentage of 5G. You are correct that it will take T-Mobile years to become equal with AT&T and Verizon in pure coverage and the density of that coverage, but that is a different matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwdewey View Post
    That is a different subject than that of the referenced article. The article is about the fact that T-Mobile is currently FAR ahead of the other two carriers in total 5G deployment and coverage. Virtually their entire network is 5G, whether it be low-band or mid-band while AT&T and Verizon's networks only have a very small percentage of 5G. You are correct that it will take T-Mobile years to become equal with AT&T and Verizon in pure coverage and the density of that coverage, but that is a different matter.
    You have to understand that whenever T-Mobile gets favorable reviews here, there are those that are compelled to throw shade on it. It is a compulsion and we all know who those members are and expect it. I did, and I'm sure you are aware of the few that cannot let TM be recognized as a major contender without pointing out some negative at the same time. It is amusing to me and that's why I predicted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daleraver View Post
    You have to understand that whenever T-Mobile gets favorable reviews here, there are those that are compelled to throw shade on it. It is a compulsion and we all know who those members are and expect it. I did, and I'm sure you are aware of the few that cannot let TM be recognized as a major contender without pointing out some negative at the same time. It is amusing to me and that's why I predicted it.
    It’s almost as bad as the same 4 people who refuse to accept any negative comment about the company and act if that company is somehow related to them. Weird ain’t it? It’s like they take it personally, as if they have an emotional attachment to a company, a company who they are only a number to. It’s got to be tough to have a love affair with an object who doesn’t reciprocate the love back to them.

    I look at it this way, I love apple products, almost everything I use daily is an apple product, I give a lot of money to apple, even have an apple credit card. Anytime I go into an Apple Store or have to contact them they are nice as can be to me. Will I defend them if anyone criticizes them? Absolutely not. I understand it’s a prostitute relationship. They love me, as long as I pay them, otherwise they don’t know I exist. I’m just a trick to them, and plus most of the criticism is deserved, as with T-Mobile. Apple didn’t get to be a multi billion dollar company by playing nice and being everyone’s friend, they indulged in anticompetitive practices and cut the throats of any company who tried to stand in their way. Their critics aren’t wrong, as tmobiles critics aren’t wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mwdewey View Post
    It will be a few more years before AT&T and Verizon will be able to challenge or overtake T-Mobile's lead in the 5G department. There are those who say that both these carriers are currently adding and upgrading hundreds of sites all over the country so that in 2024 when they can actually turn C-Band on nationwide that there will be an immediate huge area of coverage, but based on past experience, I would guess that there will be the normal slow roll-out into "select cities".

    Some of that "past experience" is from just recently when AT&T and Verizon turned C-Band on in the 46 Market PEA's where they are currently allowed to provide service and how some of those market areas have only a couple of sites enabled right now since that initial turn-on. AT&T doesn't even show their C-Band service areas on their coverage maps, nor have they even posted a list of cities where the service exists. It is a total mystery what AT&T is doing. Also, neither AT&T nor Verizon has done any meaningful expansion of their low-band 5G coverage in a long time. AT&T has added a few sites in the past couple of years but Verizon has done virtually nothing with low-band.
    This isn’t entirely accurate. AT&T has enabled 5G over N5 in many markets recently and is even broadcasting 10x10 channels of n5 in many areas, which matches tmobiles bandwidth for lowband 5G.


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    I agree that at&t has n5 10x10Mhz in many areas. It ends up being similar to TMobile with n71.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theghostlad82 View Post
    This isn’t entirely accurate. AT&T has enabled 5G over N5 in many markets recently and is even broadcasting 10x10 channels of n5 in many areas, which matches tmobiles bandwidth for lowband 5G.


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    ... and in most markets.. that's ALL at&t has on 5G.

    Midband? hardly, mmWave? laughable at best when you look at the speeds they get compared to Verizon.

    Other than remote areas FirstNet helped them.. Verizon and T-Mobile are just eating AT&T alive for network performance.

    once VoNR is enabled.. this will be a lot more important topic (at least for T-Mobile) as that will enable them to just do minimal LTE, but moslty 5G sites in rural areas to build outward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brad15 View Post
    ... and in most markets.. that's ALL at&t has on 5G.

    Midband? hardly, mmWave? laughable at best when you look at the speeds they get compared to Verizon.

    Other than remote areas FirstNet helped them.. Verizon and T-Mobile are just eating AT&T alive for network performance.

    once VoNR is enabled.. this will be a lot more important topic (at least for T-Mobile) as that will enable them to just do minimal LTE, but moslty 5G sites in rural areas to build outward.
    And yet at&t has been kicking T-Mobile and Verizon's teeth in quarter after quarter in new customer phone adds, so how important is 5G to consumers right now really? What matters more, fast 5G in pockets over the country, or reliable yet slower service in more places. Apparently it's reliable, yet slower service in more areas of the country. T-Mobiles new phone customer growth has drastically slowed, while at&t has increased, to the point where TMobile seems more focused on getting current phone customers to sign up for home internet, over trying to attract new phone customers.

    TMobile followed the lead of metro, back before TMobile bought metro. Metro wanted to be the first carrier with LTE. That's all they cared about, being the first to offer LTE, so they did, problem was 2 mistakes they made. 1. It was at a time when most people didn't care about LTE, and 2. They never fully built out their 2g/3g network to offer adequate coverage. So people were left with small patches of LTE coverage, and not much else. This eventually led to metro looking for a buyer. TMobile won't go out of business or anything, they became too big to fail with the sprint merger, but, not having that solid backbone haunts then still today, and in the future. The number one issue people have with TMobile still....is coverage.
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    We have 8 users country wide. LA, Okld., Seattle, Vermont, Miami. No coverage problems.
    We have all taken advantage of free Canada/Mexico and virtually free intl roaming.
    Few of us are ever in fly-over country -- so rarely run into lack of TM coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theghostlad82 View Post
    And yet at&t has been kicking T-Mobile and Verizon's teeth in quarter after quarter in new customer phone adds, so how important is 5G to consumers right now really? What matters more, fast 5G in pockets over the country, or reliable yet slower service in more places. Apparently it's reliable, yet slower service in more areas of the country. T-Mobiles new phone customer growth has drastically slowed, while at&t has increased, to the point where TMobile seems more focused on getting current phone customers to sign up for home internet, over trying to attract new phone customers.

    TMobile followed the lead of metro, back before TMobile bought metro. Metro wanted to be the first carrier with LTE. That's all they cared about, being the first to offer LTE, so they did, problem was 2 mistakes they made. 1. It was at a time when most people didn't care about LTE, and 2. They never fully built out their 2g/3g network to offer adequate coverage. So people were left with small patches of LTE coverage, and not much else. This eventually led to metro looking for a buyer. TMobile won't go out of business or anything, they became too big to fail with the sprint merger, but, not having that solid backbone haunts then still today, and in the future. The number one issue people have with TMobile still....is coverage.
    I fly all over the country for work - 3-5 days a week.. and I'm seeing more consistent service on T-Mobile than AT&T and Verizon as of late.

    Fact is, AT&T is making super discounted plans for business accounts (and they have legacy business).. but like Verizon simply do not know how to compete as well on the consumer side (well, they're doing better than Verizon at it with the $50 "value plus" and allowing $10 discount on Elite)

    I'm glad AT&T works for you, but I can assure you.. I run into at least one city i'm in a week where AT&T is very mediocre at best (enough to watch facebook/tik tok videos, so the average person would not notice) - trying to download a file is just a pitty.. Rurally, fantastic.. but in the city, those fragmented PCS/AWS holdings really "shine" and not in a good way. A few years ago, this was not the case.. but now they're having the problem Verizon did a few years ago of courting too many data hogs with not enough spectrum.

    I'm curious to see how they are long term being worth ~130bil, but being ~180bil in debt, they simply do not have the cash to do any meaningful, fast 5G rollout.

    Verizon, used to encounter congestion all the time as well, but they've been very agressive with C-Band, so they'll be good once they can get that rolled out.. Now though, they're just overpriced and them not giving that same $10 discount AT&T is, is killing them in that market. People shop on price right now, and as I've said before.. as T-Mobile's repuation improves, so will the add numbers comparitvely (my company is in the process of moving ~35k iPad data lines from an AT&T business account to T-Mobile thanks to people out/about and at HQ using T-Mobile and liking the service)

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad15 View Post
    I fly all over the country for work - 3-5 days a week.. and I'm seeing more consistent service on T-Mobile than AT&T and Verizon as of late.

    Fact is, AT&T is making super discounted plans for business accounts (and they have legacy business).. but like Verizon simply do not know how to compete as well on the consumer side (well, they're doing better than Verizon at it with the $50 "value plus" and allowing $10 discount on Elite)

    I'm glad AT&T works for you, but I can assure you.. I run into at least one city i'm in a week where AT&T is very mediocre at best (enough to watch facebook/tik tok videos, so the average person would not notice) - trying to download a file is just a pitty.. Rurally, fantastic.. but in the city, those fragmented PCS/AWS holdings really "shine" and not in a good way. A few years ago, this was not the case.. but now they're having the problem Verizon did a few years ago of courting too many data hogs with not enough spectrum.

    I'm curious to see how they are long term being worth ~130bil, but being ~180bil in debt, they simply do not have the cash to do any meaningful, fast 5G rollout.

    Verizon, used to encounter congestion all the time as well, but they've been very agressive with C-Band, so they'll be good once they can get that rolled out.. Now though, they're just overpriced and them not giving that same $10 discount AT&T is, is killing them in that market. People shop on price right now, and as I've said before.. as T-Mobile's repuation improves, so will the add numbers comparitvely (my company is in the process of moving ~35k iPad data lines from an AT&T business account to T-Mobile thanks to people out/about and at HQ using T-Mobile and liking the service)
    Don’t use AT&T, this is what happens when you assume, you look foolish. Your evidence is what’s called anecdotal. You likely see the results you want to, while ignoring the rest. AT&T is consistently beating T-Mobile quarter after quarter in new consumer phone adds, whatever excuse you can come up doesn’t change this, whatever you “find” flying over the country doesn’t change this. Apparently everyone else isn’t seeing the same results you are.


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