New Welcome Unlimited weird pricing

[Jack Hagar]

This basically what Start Unlimited was before the recent hotspot add on

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1 line $65
2 lines $110
3 lines $120
4 lines $120 huh? Verizon basically giving away free lines?
5 lines $125 so for an extra $5 you can get 2 additional lines?

did no one at Verizon do the math?

[brad15]

They're making money on this even at $125/mo for 5 lines, the "breakeven" point even when I worked at a cell company in college was ~$15-18/mo per line, and after the few years i worked at one, it dropped a few bucks due to bits being cheaper.

This is MaBell attempting to compete with T-Mobile, and it's so depri they're just essentially selling extra capacity on the network (where it's actually available) at a rock bottom price, likley with the hope to upsell them to a better plan for those who actually need data to work when in a congested area.

[Serial Port]

This is MaBell attempting to compete with T-Mobile,

Did she divorce "Pa Bell" and take half of his market share?

[Jack Hagar]

They're making money on this even at $125/mo for 5 lines, the "breakeven" point even when I worked at a cell company in college was ~$15-18/mo per line, and after the few years i worked at one, it dropped a few bucks due to bits being cheaper.

This is MaBell attempting to compete with T-Mobile, and it's so depri they're just essentially selling extra capacity on the network (where it's actually available) at a rock bottom price, likley with the hope to upsell them to a better plan for those who actually need data to work when in a congested area.

That not even the point 3 and 4 lines are EXACTLY the same price. And 5 lines is only $5 more than 3 lines. The point is 3 lines should be cheaper

[dtv757]

Off topic but wish we still had MA Bell .. I'm tired of horific docsis broadband.

Ma bell was very innovative. If u look up bell labs im sure you would be surprised at all the stuff they invented/discovered. Like computer programing language, microchips, fiber and so much more .

Also some of the commercials "bell system ..making your phone service the best in the world !!!"


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[brad15]

That not even the point 3 and 4 lines are EXACTLY the same price. And 5 lines is only $5 more than 3 lines. The point is 3 lines should be cheaper

You’re missing the point entirely, Verizon doesn’t want to make the base plan “too attractive”, this was done on purpose so they can claim a cheaper plan, without actually “offering” it.

4+ lines, actually means something for subscription numbers. One must think of the shareholders!

[clonehappy]

If all we had was Ma Bell we would probably still be using dialup modems and it would cost $150 a month to rent it.

The good old days weren’t always good.

Although I will take my 1.3Gbps rock-solid DOCSIS connection over the 3Mbps DSL that I can get from the phone company.

At any rate, this is Verizon’s way of giving away free lines to pump subscriber numbers (like T-Mobile did for years) without actually coming out and saying they’re giving away free lines of service.

It lets them save face and still present themselves as the premium product while quietly trying to cater to the low end of the market by essentially offering buy 3 get 1 free. Or buy 3 get 2 more for $5.


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[dtv757]

I'll take FTTH over POS docsis any day.

I wish I didn't have to suffer from. This horific docsis service. Its the worse on the planet.


I feel if ma bell was still around they would have the $ to bring FTTH to everyone. That was NO one has to suffer from docsis monopolies

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[Jack Hagar]

I'll take FTTH over POS docsis any day.

I wish I didn't have to suffer from. This horific docsis service. Its the worse on the planet.


I feel if ma bell was still around they would have the $ to bring FTTH to everyone. That was NO one has to suffer from docsis monopolies

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There was a reason why Ma Bell was broken up in the early 80s and what you think would happen would not

[dtv757]

There was a reason why Ma Bell was broken up in the early 80s and what you think would happen would not

Well someone needs to break up these docsis monopolies

Not everyone can get 5G or LTE home broadband.
(Not available)

But trust me the day 5G or fios becomes available... die docsis die .. can't wait for the day I can get rid of that service.


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[Jack Hagar]

Well someone needs to break up these docsis monopolies

Not everyone can get 5G or LTE home broadband.
(Not available)

But trust me the day 5G or fios becomes available... die docsis die .. can't wait for the day I can get rid of that service.


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What docsis monopolies? And breaking up Charter and Comcast et al would not do what you think it would. If anything it would deter investment. No offense but you have magical thinking. Also your getting off topic. You know the topic I started

[dtv757]

Making it so everyone has broadband choice

Fiber and... docsis


But anyways your right someone posted about ma bell (and I love the phone companies) so yea got off topic

the cable cos


Back to the new plan

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[clonehappy]

Sometimes the off topic discussions are the best ones. Just saying, I’d rather have gigabit DOCSIS than sub-10Mbps DSL given those are the only options in many places. Not that I don’t sometimes wish for the old days, but having to file federal lawsuits against Ma Bell to be able to use an answering machine is not something I want to bring back.

But yeah, back on topic. Why does the forum think Verizon is finally, quietly trying to compete on price after decades of refusing to do so?


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[brad15]

What docsis monopolies? And breaking up Charter and Comcast et al would not do what you think it would. If anything it would deter investment. No offense but you have magical thinking. Also your getting off topic. You know the topic I started

Except for smaller cable companies (Service Electric, for example), actually are local, decisions are local, and plant upgrades tend to happen much faster than Comcast or Charter ever allow for (You can get 1500/150 from SECV).. Not to mention, while SECV is capped, it's actually "reasonably" capped (aka the higher the speed, the higher the cap.. up to ~7TB)

Sometimes the off topic discussions are the best ones. Just saying, I’d rather have gigabit DOCSIS than sub-10Mbps DSL given those are the only options in many places. Not that I don’t sometimes wish for the old days, but having to file federal lawsuits against Ma Bell to be able to use an answering machine is not something I want to bring back.

But yeah, back on topic. Why does the forum think Verizon is finally, quietly trying to compete on price after decades of refusing to do so?


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T-Mobile is now big enough to *actually* be a threat. They have Sprint's spectrum holdings, most of the network digested.. so the only direction for them is to expand out rurally once the network is fully shut down/converted in a few months (I'm guessing that will not be "fully" done until Q1 2023, due to part/chip shortages, and GSM is shut down)

They have to give something to keep people from runing away.

For instance 4 phones on T-Mobile "Essentials" right now is $105/mo, so ~$120 after taxes/fees.. but also includes unlimited 600kbps hotspot.

The price point for 4 phones was selected on purpose.

[Jack Hagar]

Except for smaller cable companies (Service Electric, for example), actually are local, decisions are local, and plant upgrades tend to happen much faster than Comcast or Charter ever allow for (You can get 1500/150 from SECV).. Not to mention, while SECV is capped, it's actually "reasonably" capped (aka the higher the speed, the higher the cap.. up to ~7TB)

My town has Spectrum. Outside of town there a local cable company their service is garbage. Higher prices lower speeds, constant outages. If you want their fastest internet package without subbing to their crappy cable Tv package it's $89.50 PLUS a $7.50 modem fee for 50 Mbps. Meanwhile Charter Spectrum you can get 300 Mbps for $75 and for $95 you can get 500 Mbps and no modem fee.